DPF Regeneration with VCDS not engaging

[yellowplum]

I have attempted on a few occasions to get the car to regenerate but it doesn't seem to want to.

I have a fear that it is now too full and it will not regenerate. I don't quite understand why the car would not regenerate in the first place.

Mileage: 99780km-62000mi Repair Order: log1


Address 01: Engine (03L 906 022 LC)

21:33:23
60 ml Particle Filter Oil Ash Volume
6.0 Particle Filter Carbon Mass (spec.)
45.0 Particle Filter Carbon Mass (act.)

[Roy_01]

It's quit full with 45 grams but with vcds it must be possible.
First drive your car nice and warm.
You can also perform it while driving, would prefer that because its getting very hot. But you have to do it with 2 persons.
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.ph ... generation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[yellowplum]

Tried that all yesterday, I was at my parents some 200 miles away had a passenger in the car with me and VCDS followed the instructions and it wouldn't regenerate.

Coming home it put the engine management light on and came into limp mode. It just will not regenerate in any instance.

When i tried it idle standing a couple of weeks ago it sort of started then after half an hour it said error on VCDS.

Nothing I do seems to get it to generate.

[Roy_01]

Hmm and what fault codes do you find if you perform a scan?
Sounds like a hardware failure. Normally the soot level never gets that high.
I would be very cautious with it. How much is the pressure differential of the dpf?

[Roy_01]

If you look af this page you see the carbon mass is just at the level a emergency regeneration cant be performed any more.(see picture)

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread. ... using-VCDS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But 60 ml oil ash volume is very low on your filter. Mine has 109 ml, i drive mainly highways.
So i think something is blocking a good regeneration on your filter. Replacing it looks very soon. So first do a full scan of your car. But you cant drive further with it if you dont want to damage your engine. There are workshops that can take the dpf out and put it in an oven for a night and then blow the ash out with air. Its a lot cheaper then a new filter.

[yellowplum]

Full Scan -

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Friday,25,December,2015,21:32:05:46117
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0
Data version: 20151216
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VIN: WVWZZZ13ZAV424702   License Plate: 
Mileage: 99780km-62000mi   Repair Order: 123



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Chassis Type: 13 (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 14 15 16 17 19 25 2E 37 42 44 46 52 55 56 77
         

VIN: WVWZZZ13ZAV424702   Mileage: 99780km-62000miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (CBB)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 022 LC    HW: 03L 906 022 G
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC 0000SG  6655  
   Revision: 13H02---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0001072
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 71E906C0681D3FB68E-8024

1 Fault Found:
009315 - Diesel Particle Filter 
               P2463 - 000 - Excessive Soot Accumulation - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 99716 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2010.05.17
                    Time: 20:43:32

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2369 /min
                    Speed: 103.0 km/h
                    Pressure: 326 mbar
                    Hex Value: 0xFF04
                    Temperature: 348.0°C
                    (no units): 300.9
                    Mileage: 400 km

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AJ    HW: 1K0 907 379 AJ
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H30 0107  
   Revision: 00H30001    
   Coding: 763B60F5492400FE6E1206E4921B0082350000
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 7AFB21ECF56B7CEE3F-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 BT    HW: 5K0 907 044 BT
   Component: Climatronic   H15 0709  
   Revision: 00003001    
   Coding: 0000000002
   Shop #: WSC 00020 999 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01006
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
   VCID: 7EF32DFCE14350CE03-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Cannot be reached
Unable to communicate with address 09. Are you sure the doors are unlocked?

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 1K0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 919 475 K    HW: 1K0 919 475 K
   Component: PARKHILFE     005 1706  
   Revision: 00005000    Serial number: 0 263 004 388 
   Coding: 100001
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 3A7BE1ECB5EBBCEE7F-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 376 A    HW: 3C0 907 376 
   Component: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H07 0070  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 23100902070002
   Coding: 000180
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 275D28985659310610-8072

2 Faults Found:
03262 - Comfort Restriction 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 6
                    Reset counter: 95
                    Mileage: 99470 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2010.05.14
                    Time: 13:39:18

             Freeze Frame:
                    Error Code: 2
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000

00776 - Level Control System Sensor; Left Front (G78) 
            003 - Mechanical Failure
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 6
                    Reset counter: 95
                    Mileage: 99470 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2010.05.14
                    Time: 13:39:18

             Freeze Frame:
                    Bin. Bits: 00000001 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AE    HW: 1K0 909 605 AE
   Component: 0H AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 003D1D01SA2S  
   Coding: 0012360
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 6FED00B87E29294698-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME4B25365DK

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME4C00645BE

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME3840502CB

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME513F023CJ

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 521 T    HW: 5K0 953 569 D
   Component: LENKS.MODUL   009 0122  
   Revision: FF010E35    Serial number: 20091029100615
   Coding: 108A040000
   Shop #: WSC 00375 210 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGVOLWS A01002
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGVOLWS.rod
   VCID: 3D71EAF0ACC58BD65A-8068

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542     HW: 5K0 959 542   Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H05 0010 
   Coding: 820000

1 Fault Found:
1140741 - Steering angle sensor 
          B1168 96 [008] - Component internal failure
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Date: 2000.01.01
                    Time: 00:00:00


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 1K8 920 971 C    HW: 1K8 920 971 C
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0305  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 470F00
   Shop #: WSC 00020 999 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK35.rod
   VCID: 3365CCC89A814DA6BC-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H16 0231  
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 4320K09A290589
   Coding: E9A91F06400612004001
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 69D96EA040CDC776C6-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H05 0305  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03005
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE25.rod
   VCID: 6ADB11AC8DCBCC6ECF-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 B    HW: 5N0 035 342 B
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0090  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7667641754    
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2643259C5153280E2B-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 L    HW: 1T0 035 680 C
   Component: RNS-MID       H04 5269  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7J6294107
   Coding: 04000402040000900000
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 377DF8D886F9A18680-8062

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
   Component: EU West V9  7918 

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1Q0 959 701 H    HW: 1Q0 959 701 H
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2116  
   Coding: 0021047
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 3979FEE070EDB7F676-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 179    3001  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 3169C6C0A89D7FB6CE-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.
Cannot be reached

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1Q0 959 702 H    HW: 1Q0 959 702 H
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2116  
   Coding: 0021302
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 3A7BE1EC75EBBCEE7F-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8P0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 8P0 907 357 K
   Component: Dynamische LWR  H01 0010  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000016
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 428B990C1D3BF42E27-8016

1 Fault Found:
00471 - Control Module for Elect. Regulated Dampers (J250) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 95
                    Mileage: 99464 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2010.05.14
                    Time: 13:39:23


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Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 L    HW: 1T0 035 680 C
   Component: RNS-MID       H04 5269  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7J6294107
   Coding: 04000402040000900000
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 377DF8D886F9A18680-8062

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
   Component: EU West V9  7918 

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 C    HW: 7P6 035 730 C
   Component: TELEFON       H05 0440  
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007668450970
   Coding: 0201000000010101
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: UHVNA A01007
   ROD: UHVNA.rod
   VCID: 326BC9CC659B44AEB7-8066

No fault code found.

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[Roy_01]

If that 326 mbar in the fault code is the pressure differential of your dpf than its way too high. Normally mine is just at 100 mbar max when driving that speed when regenerating.
There are workshops that can take the dpf out and put it in an oven for a night and then blow the ash out with air. Its a lot cheaper then a new filter. Or maybe the dealer can overide the 45 gram limit to force a regen but i would be carefull with it. It can cause a fire.

[yellowplum]

However as you say, will it happen again after it is cleaned?

[Roy_01]

I changed that message, i dont see other fault codes so i think cleaning/replacing the dpf will solve the problem.

[yellowplum]

I'm just a little suspicious why it never wanted to regenerate in the first instance, makes me think, like you said previously that something else is a problem

[Roy_01]

Ok so before you hit 45 grams you already tried several regenerations with vcds? That would be very weird.
If your car i still under warranty i would take it to the dealer.

[yellowplum]

No it's six years old and out of warranty, and yes I kept trying to regenerate it and it would not work. Also the car kept idling at 1 or just above. The car has has Revo stage 1 update performed on it around a year and a half ago, not sure if this has affected it in any way.

[Roy_01]

Ok, you can always ask the people that did the remap they can take a look at it.
Often they are very experienced with this kind of problems.
I have a remap too, and no problems with it. it regens every week after +/- 700 km because i drive a lot of mileage.

[yellowplum]

It's just very strange that it has been acting a little funny since the update or my perception of it is that it is a little funny, also when they did update it, it seemed that it the turbo wasn't kicking in until 2500 revs before something happened.

[Roy_01]

The turbo can also be part of this problem because it plays a role in the regeneration proces.
Did you had any fault codes on them in the past? Its difficult now because you can make a log anymore.
I would go to that revo shop and let them check it out. I disabled the egr with the remap software, it doesn't affect regeneration for me.

[yellowplum]

I think I will take it to the local one, the dealer I took it to is far too far away, some 300 miles and I don't really want to drive the car in limp mode for that long (not exactly advisable).

[Roy_01]

Wich message did you get when you tried the regen with vcds? You also entered the security code?
There is an option to reset the carbon mass under basic settings so you can perform a regeneration after that.
But i dont recommend it because of the danger with the high carbon load.

[yellowplum]

It just gave a message in the window saying error, no other message was present and this was after performing it for around 30 mins. It was the only time it worked. I find it strange that it would ask you to pump the brake and clutch pedal 10 times, then once you have done it once it says pump throttle, but it does not repeat this 10 times, it then just starts (well once).

No I will do a chemical removal, my fear is after this has been done what is to say that it will not happen again since it clearly for some reason that is beyond me doesn't want to regenerate when driving in passive mode.

I have received one quote thus far from a Terraclean agent who quoted £250. Once all the other places open on Monday I will contact and compare, then decide which.

[Roy_01]

And do you have any progress, did the chemical cleaning work for you?
Lets hope so.

[yellowplum]

Literally just got it back yesterday, I took it to a VW specialist, they replaced the boost pressure sensor and ran it through a clean. Plugged in VCDS and it read as 0 on the accumulation last night. I did call up about a chemical clean with Terraclean, wasn't impressed to be honest, they wanted £250 to do it but don't think they would of found the route of the problem.

Lets see if that resolves the issue.