VW Driver Magazine Performance Figures

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we have been in touch with Neil Birkitt of VW Driver Magazine who will hopefully be plugging the forum in the February issue give coverage to a meet at a later date, this should help our membership to continue to grow

Neil has kindly consented we can use the figures below, they road tested in the scirocco in their november issue, i know we are all curious how the scirocco stacks up against its cousins, the figures are for a manual, Neil has informed me of the technique they use which is brutal but effective and means they get better figures than dsg, but don't recommend it

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respecting copyright we are not printing the road test but they are available from http://www.volkswagendrivermag.co.uk or tel 01525 750 500

scirocco features to date are as follows, the november issue back page shows a pic of a silver APS fettled machine we i assume will also be featuring

Iroc (new Scirocco): Oct 2006 p13-15
New Scirocco: Apr 2008 p07-09
Scirocco GT 24: July 2008 p10-11
Scirocco GT24 in Nurburgring 24-hour race: Jul 2008 p14-16
New Scirocco (International launch report): Aug 2008 p10-15
UK Launch / First drive: Scirocco 2.0 TSI: Oct 2008 p16-18
Road test: Scirocco GT 2.0 TSI: Nov 2008 p20-25
Special Sciroccos, Collector’s Edition and R Studie: Jan 2009 p17 & 18

[sonnybhoy]

Really interesting numbers Andy! I understand that these figures are bourne out of harsh performance testing but why would VW publish reduced 0-62 times for the ROC whenever members of this forum have managed to get 0-60's in the region of 6.5s for the DSG (Over half a second quicker than published)? Any clues gents? (I suppose it will probably come down to the testing technique) Not that the numbers make a blind bit of difference, it brought a smile to my face to see that an ST got a right good showing up by one of our members - Good work mate.
Anyway, I've still go many more months before I get to play but until then I'll keep enjoying this forum and build the excitement!

[CTRnutter]

Thanks for that Andy, excellent work!!!!

Glad to know I wasn't going insane when I was testing the R32 and Scirocco back to back and this goes some way to confirming what I found, I guess the biggest difference is how the power is achieved, albeit I think it would be hard to achieve those figures with the current weather.

[gggg!]

How do these figures occur?
Even the factory has not such optimistic numbers for it's cars.
Most road tests figures occur with a driver , codriver, instruments for measuring car's capabilities
and a half or 3/4 tank.

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CTRNutter needless to say these are purely performance figures and other factors come into play in the real world, straight line figures match my gut reaction of last week, gets more intersting when the corners come into play

[gggg!]

"Neil has informed me of the technique they use which is brutal but effective and means they get better figures than dsg, but don't recommend it"

Come on!
What technique do they use that produces better figures than the factory ones?
Are you talking with children or something?
Get serious people!

[CTRnutter]

"Neil has informed me of the technique they use which is brutal but effective and means they get better figures than dsg, but don't recommend it"

Come on!
What technique do they use that produces better figures than the factory ones?
Are you talking with children or something?
Get serious people!

Andy owns a Pirelli and I have personally had an R32 and and the Scirocco side by side difference being I was driving the R32 (Mk 5) and I hammered the sh!t out of the R32 from differing speeds and gears and there was nothing in it! whether you belive that or not its a fact lol I am more than happy to meet anybody off here and give a demonstration or how how about ask my friend Neil who also owns an R32 and doing a few guys on here some lovely deals on parts lol his thoughts on the matter (working for the vag group he has a little more inside info on the cars)!

I took the exact same stance as you before I went ahead and put it to the test, and manafactureres have been doing this for a long time,you only have to look at the Mitsubishi evo which they claimed only had 260-270 bhp when the VI GSR was released after a few rolling road sessions turns out the cars were running 300+ bhp!

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quote regarding their figures:

Yes, our performance testing necessarily involves a brutal technique of hard launching (wheelspinning is faster) and powershifting through the gears which has consistently provided faster figs with manual than the DSG (we can also get better fuel consumption...

But no owner in their right mind would ever drive like this, and so VW’s claims that the DSG is (slightly) quicker and more economical are probably justified for the average driver

in essence you can abuse a manual more but they don't recommend it

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remember these are 0-60mph times as well not 0-62 (100kph), in reality more intersted in the in gear times myself

[CTRnutter]

remember these are 0-60mph times as well not 0-62 (100kph), in reality more intersted in the in gear times myself

Same here, more so higher up to be honest, its knowing what speeds the car is capable of when pulling onto a mototway, or overtaking etc

[Candy Monster]

Really interesting numbers Andy! I understand that these figures are bourne out of harsh performance testing but why would VW publish reduced 0-62 times for the ROC whenever members of this forum have managed to get 0-60's in the region of 6.5s for the DSG (Over half a second quicker than published)? Any clues gents? (I suppose it will probably come down to the testing technique) Not that the numbers make a blind bit of difference, it brought a smile to my face to see that an ST got a right good showing up by one of our members - Good work mate.
Anyway, I've still go many more months before I get to play but until then I'll keep enjoying this forum and build the excitement!

Maybe VW are trying to keep the insurance group down by publishing higher figures? The numbers are astonishing, I hardly believe them, although the lighter scirocco should be quicker than the golf GTI which has pretty much the same figures from VW!!!

[cole trickle]

I used to work very closely with BMW (cars and bikes) and I know that the times BMW publish for their cars are meant to represent what an average driver in average conditions coud achieve without killing the care. It could be VW have done the same as it's more realistic than a professional driver in a test mule on a private test track.

[drnick]

incidentally Cole, would be interested to see how your rising blue looks with grey leather, when are you expecting delivery?

[cole trickle]

Well I say grey its anthracite/dark grey/blackish call it what you will.

Looks great though, i wanted the truffle colour originally but then saw the blue exdemo with grey and bought it. Should be picking it up just as soon as i can get my private plate switched over. Can't wait.

[R32uk]

Some interesting figures there!!

Has anyone been along to the pod??? What is the approximate weight difference between the std gti and the rocco??

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CTRNutter ran 14.2 at the pod a few weeks ago in a totally standard dsg car

[R32uk]

CTRNutter ran 14.2 at the pod a few weeks ago in a totally standard dsg car

Did read about that over on the Gti forum!! So it was CTRNutter who was up and down the track like a nut

Great time though.. bearing in mind that most people were struggling with traction issues. would defo be interesting to see what a remapped version would do.

Have they had it around the TG track as yet??

[CTRnutter]

CTRNutter ran 14.2 at the pod a few weeks ago in a totally standard dsg car

Did read about that over on the Gti forum!! So it was CTRNutter who was up and down the track like a nut

Great time though.. bearing in mind that most people were struggling with traction issues. would defo be interesting to see what a remapped version would do.

Have they had it around the TG track as yet??

LOL Thought I'd take advantage of the cold weather, car was pulling well that day although traction was a problem!!

It hasnt been taken round the TG test track yet but did go up against the mini cooper s on fifth gear

I'm hoping by summer I'll have a remap, lighter alloys (pro race 1.2's) with R888 rubber, H&R Springs, Milltek and if GruppEm release their induction kit that will be fitted too... I was going to go the whole hog and get a K04 turbo too but I might as well hang fire and see what happens with the R20T.

Either way with the above in mind I'm looking forward to maybe low 13's if I go sooner I'm more than happy to let you know

[R32uk]

Cheers CTR!!

Quite a few people did comment on how supprisingly quick the rocco was. And even with the FWD boys struggling with traction that was a decent time as std. I think the first and only mod I would look to do would be a remap.... over on the gti forum it seems that revo is probably the way to go, although the difference in gains offered by others is negligble really.

Having not driven the rocco (yet) does it wheel spin really easy?? How easy or difficult is it to get the power down?

[CTRnutter]

Cheers CTR!!

Quite a few people did comment on how supprisingly quick the rocco was. And even with the FWD boys struggling with traction that was a decent time as std. I think the first and only mod I would look to do would be a remap.... over on the gti forum it seems that revo is probably the way to go, although the difference in gains offered by others is negligble really.

Having not driven the rocco (yet) does it wheel spin really easy?? How easy or difficult is it to get the power down?

Its not too bad, I get use of my brothers Mk 5 R32 as frequently as I use the Rocco and it must be said the grip levels on the R32 are in another league but as far as cornering goes they're not worlds apart as you might imagine, I'd be happy to take you for a spin if you come along to one of the meets