I'm guessing this is the right part of the forum for this question. And the question is more aimed at those people who have been lucky enough to own both a manual and a DSG rocco. Now, i've been a fan of manual cars since i passed my test those many years ago. However more and more it seems DSG appears to be the preferred style, plus the older i get the more lazy i am!
I'm thinking of possibly "upgrading" my tractor roc for an R so now face the dilemma of manual or DSG.
Not owned both in a Roc but wouldn't go back to manual now.
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It's personal preference so just take an extended drive in a DSG and make your own mind up.
I hate autos but loved the DSG in my R32 and it suited the engine well, however my current Rocco is manual, however will consider DSG again for my next car.
This is my first DSG having had many autos and manuals previously and it's not without its faults. That being said, once you have learned to work around them it is a great gerabox.
Proper manuals are only good for nostalgia and the few who like to beat their chest and say will never drive an auto. The simple fact of the matter is the DSG will change gear faster than a person ever can and without lifting off the pedal. If performance coupled with convenience is your thing, it can't be beaten. It's technically not an auto as it has no torque converter and this is noticeable at times with the odd lumpy change.
When driven manually the gerabox is great, in auto it has several annoying habits. Though I haven't had a DSG tune yet, I suspect it would fix most, if not all of the annoying traits.
Totally agree with previous posts had a manual on my first Roc which was diesel which was great, I've driven some diesel DSGs and personally think the manual suits it better
Having recently upgraded to the R which is DSG I wouldn't have it any other way super quick changes up and down and also the lovely fart sound when your pushing it
It can be a little harsh on down changes especially on steep descents but you get used to it
Would definitely recommend DSG but the choice is yours test both before you buy
But I also wouldn't like to run one much when it's outside of warranty. There's a thread on PH about a fellow who upgraded it with software and it went bang, was facing a 10K bill to sort it (and then threw his toys out when Audi wouldn't repair it for free, despite being out of warranty and tuned. He was most affronted and couldn't understand Audi not giving him a 'goodwill' gesture!
It's important that the DSG oil and filter are changed at least every 40k miles.
The most common failure is the Mechatronics Unit which to replace with a new one is circa £2k however there are companies that can repair them for a few hundred quid.
Thanks for the response chaps. Seems pretty much everyone is in the mind that DSG would be the way to go next time then! May try and see if my local VW dealer has an R i can test drive.
>moto< wrote:This is my first DSG having had many autos and manuals previously and it's not without its faults. That being said, once you have learned to work around them it is a great gerabox.
Proper manuals are only good for nostalgia and the few who like to beat their chest and say will never drive an auto. The simple fact of the matter is the DSG will change gear faster than a person ever can and without lifting off the pedal. If performance coupled with convenience is your thing, it can't be beaten. It's technically not an auto as it has no torque converter and this is noticeable at times with the odd lumpy change.
When driven manually the gerabox is great, in auto it has several annoying habits. Though I haven't had a DSG tune yet, I suspect it would fix most, if not all of the annoying traits.
Manuals absolutely have more driver involvement. Nothing beats a few heel and toe gear changes.
My GTI was a DSG, my Scirocco is a manual.
My Sciroccos DSG my Clios manual, if Im feeling a good involved drive, I take the Clio every time. For the everyday slog the DSG on the 2.0 TSI is great, but it does take the involvement right out of it.
I'd have one for a daily, not for a weekend motor.
>moto< wrote:This is my first DSG having had many autos and manuals previously and it's not without its faults. That being said, once you have learned to work around them it is a great gerabox.
Proper manuals are only good for nostalgia and the few who like to beat their chest and say will never drive an auto. The simple fact of the matter is the DSG will change gear faster than a person ever can and without lifting off the pedal. If performance coupled with convenience is your thing, it can't be beaten. It's technically not an auto as it has no torque converter and this is noticeable at times with the odd lumpy change.
When driven manually the gerabox is great, in auto it has several annoying habits. Though I haven't had a DSG tune yet, I suspect it would fix most, if not all of the annoying traits.
Manuals absolutely have more driver involvement. Nothing beats a few heel and toe gear changes.
My GTI was a DSG, my Scirocco is a manual.
I do agree. If you value more driver involvement (I think the DSG can be somewhat involving when used manually) over faster gear changes and the convenience of an auto then the manual might be the right choice.
The manual may also be the better choice if the noted annoying traits of the DSG are too much to bear and they don't want to get a DSG tune.
A DSG tune is very high on the list for me due to how annoying I find the stock gearbox mapping. 6th gear at 60km/m with 25% throttle drives me crazy.
You'll find a DSG tune doesn't tend to effect the lower speed driving characteristics, unless it's a fully custom one (from R-tech or similar). So bear that in mind as to where you go.
I had Revo Stage 2 software and DSG software on my GTI and it would still change up around 1800rpm.
I usually drove it around in manual using the paddles
