Another mpg thread - GTS/220 ps

[AM19]

Hi All,

New member and prospective roc owner - apologies in advance for another one of these mpg threads (I did search!)

I'm currently desperately trying to justify the 220ps 2.0 tsi bluemotion despite my high mileage dictating diesel

Wondering what mpg figures people are achieving from that engine - I know it's listed at 47 (or 44 with the DSG), but I'm wondering if it's nearer 40 or 35 in the real world

Thanks for any help

[charliegilmanuk]

I've got the older (first gen, EA888) 2.0 TSI 200ps. Can average 40mpg on motorway if I'm careful with the fun pedal, not too bad round town either but it can really drink if you want it to.

I imagine the 220ps will be the same if not better due to the later design and bluemotion tech.

[Deagol]

Welcome to Central !

When you say "high mileage", how many miles do you expect to cover annually? I run a 170TDi and cover about 15,000m, about 1/3 of which is very dull motorway at a steady 70mph, the rest is slightly more fun on A & B class roads in Cornwall (though much less than 70 mph!).

Driving sensibly, I can get around 55mpg or better out of a tank of fuel, using about 1,250 litres a year. At £1.17 a litre, the fuel spend is about £1,450.

If you are doing similar mileage in a 220 BMT petrol and that gives you 40mpg, we're closer to 1,700 litres and if your preferred Unleaded brand is also £1.17, the fuel spend would be a lot closer to £2,000 annually.
So, just over a tenner a week more in fuel based on those numbers, but obviously a different answer if the diesel v petrol consumption is more or less than I've used.

But then you can factor in the difference in annual price differences between:
a) Road Fund Licence
b) Insurance
c) Cost and frequency of services and tyre replacement

Does that make the "tenner a week" number get worse or better for you?

And what about Depreciation ? What is your expected resale time and do you have an expectation of a lower resale of a diesel due to Emissions Publicity (Cheers for that, V W !)

I've not had a 200/210/220 Scirocco as a courtesy car for ages, so I cannot remember the difference in performance and therefore put a value on that difference. In my part of the world, I do attach a fair bit of value to mid-range acceleration rather than top speed, which is why I don't have a 140 TDI, but I did consider the mileage thing when I bought, hence mine is diesel not petrol. (Had a 1.8T Golf GTi previously)

Apologies if this email has a lot of "stating the obvious", but when you're shelling out this sort of money, I'd rather risk causing offence than gloss over stuff which could be relevant. I hope my waffling helps you in some way !

D

[AM19]

I've got the older (first gen, EA888) 2.0 TSI 200ps. Can average 40mpg on motorway if I'm careful with the fun pedal, not too bad round town either but it can really drink if you want it to.

I imagine the 220ps will be the same if not better due to the later design and bluemotion tech.

If the bluemotion does boost the number a bit that could be ideal...unfortunately I don't do much motorway mileage though, which will hurt the number a bit

Welcome to Central !

When you say "high mileage", how many miles do you expect to cover annually? I run a 170TDi and cover about 15,000m, about 1/3 of which is very dull motorway at a steady 70mph, the rest is slightly more fun on A & B class roads in Cornwall (though much less than 70 mph!).

Driving sensibly, I can get around 55mpg or better out of a tank of fuel, using about 1,250 litres a year. At £1.17 a litre, the fuel spend is about £1,450.

If you are doing similar mileage in a 220 BMT petrol and that gives you 40mpg, we're closer to 1,700 litres and if your preferred Unleaded brand is also £1.17, the fuel spend would be a lot closer to £2,000 annually.
So, just over a tenner a week more in fuel based on those numbers, but obviously a different answer if the diesel v petrol consumption is more or less than I've used.

But then you can factor in the difference in annual price differences between:
a) Road Fund Licence
b) Insurance
c) Cost and frequency of services and tyre replacement

Does that make the "tenner a week" number get worse or better for you?

And what about Depreciation ? What is your expected resale time and do you have an expectation of a lower resale of a diesel due to Emissions Publicity (Cheers for that, V W !)

I've not had a 200/210/220 Scirocco as a courtesy car for ages, so I cannot remember the difference in performance and therefore put a value on that difference. In my part of the world, I do attach a fair bit of value to mid-range acceleration rather than top speed, which is why I don't have a 140 TDI, but I did consider the mileage thing when I bought, hence mine is diesel not petrol. (Had a 1.8T Golf GTi previously)

Apologies if this email has a lot of "stating the obvious", but when you're shelling out this sort of money, I'd rather risk causing offence than gloss over stuff which could be relevant. I hope my waffling helps you in some way !

D

Cheers!

Currently I vary between about 450 and 600 a week, so I'd guess over the course of the year in the 20-22k range. I'm hoping to make my work arrangements a little more flexible soon the bring that number down to 15-18k a year moving forward, but I'm still well in diesel range.

To be honest I hadn't worked it out in that way and it's actually not as big a difference as I expected so thanks for doing that
Interestingly the other factors you mention eg insurance bring down the difference - for example my quoted premiums seem to be about £350 in favour of the more powerful petrol (work that one out )

Although the depreciation would probably be less on the diesel...
And not at all - much appreciated!