Jacking point (flange) got bent

[Piso]

Yesterday happened the same to my Scirocco. The jack point looks like its not welded where it lifted. How did you fix yours? Here a picture:

[skyblues11]

I am thinking the flanges are made for the supplied boot wind up jack ( with its v shape cup head).

if you lift the car using a trolley jack with flat head, and especially at an angle, perhaps the force would bend it.

[goatboy]

I am thinking the flanges are made for the supplied boot wind up jack ( with its v shape cup head).

if you lift the car using a trolley jack with flat head, and especially at an angle, perhaps the force would bend it.

Exactly this!
On your boot jack the "flange" sits in a cup on the jack. It lifts on the flange and on the bodywork around it. Its not designed to lift the car from that flange point using a flat lifting cup on a trolley jack. I've made exactly this mistake on other cars, and you guessed it, it bent...
If you are using a trolley jack you need to lift it from a different place, but I don't know where that is!

[b0rk]

If you are using a trolley jack you need to lift it from a different place, but I don't know where that is!

No that is the correct lifting point, which is also used by the dealers. You absolutely must lift on a flat and level surface with a jack pad in the trolley jack cup. This could a rubber pad or even a grooved pad that stops the flange from bending, these can be found for purchase.

Alternatively the DIY solution is to buy a rubber hockey puck and cut a V shaped groove.

[RW1]

VW do indicate that the Scirocco's standard boot jack points are the lifting points for a Trolley Jack.

VW only specify two special precaution when using a trolley jack on the standard lift point front or back positions.

- "WARNING: Ensure that side member reinforcement seats centrally on support plate of hoist mounting."

- "If work is to be performed under the vehicle, it must be supported by suitable jack stands."

But if one has sense, you never do it on uneven or sloping ground as the handbrake/in gear brake may be compromised by reducing the weight on remaining tyre(s) which act as the braking force to the car moving due to its change of stance relative to the ground.

C.

[goatboy]

VW do indicate that the Scirocco's standard boot jack points are the lifting points for a Trolley Jack.

VW only specify two special precaution when using a trolley jack on the standard lift point front or back positions.

Every days a school day, I take back what I said, but surely you do need, as mentioned, something on your trolley jack with a groove in it, a flat edge will just bend the flange no?

I guess my point is the flange didn't bend because its not welded right or incorrect but the lifting equipment\technique used was not 100% correct?

[RW1]

I merely just point out that VW have not stated that it shouldn't be lifted with a Trolley Jack at those points. They have stated it can.

But when lifting with a jack you always have to be careful because its a one point lift which exerts more stress on the Jacking Point rather than 2 or 4 points together. It distorts the lift with lateral forces even on level ground, ie. bending moment. The dealers lift as 4 points, that way, the load goes straight up into the harden point with no bending moment. The tyre outlets are the one to watch as they will lift a car on one point, sometimes 2 wheels off the ground on the same side, thats asking for trouble.

Personally unless a wheel has to come off, I will drive onto low level ramps. If a wheel has come off, then the other 3 must touch the ground as heavily as possible to ensure the Trolley Jack/Jacking Point is only bearing the minimum of weight.

As some know I have Jack Pads fitted. Even these are treated with the same respect.

If I need to lift all the car front or rear at once, then I use a second Trolley Jack and lift them both gradually together. Thus keeping the load line as much as possible veritcal into the designated Jacking Point on the car.

I've always had the greatest respect for jacks of any sort since I nearly lost both legs while servicing an Austin Mini 850 as a teenager. And that wasn't due to misuse but a 100% failure of the equipment.

C.

[eikido]

So there is no problem lifting like the picture below but with 4 rubber blocks on the official VW jacking points?



And i don't really know where to lift each rear wheel according to your post here: (I just cannot find that spot on the rear on the pictures i've taken when it was lifted, i have a few, and when i took a fast look, i will recheck again)
http://www.sciroccocentral.co.uk/forum/ ... king+point" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can't find this spot you posted:

Rear 01.JPG

Can i lift here? (Ofcours always with rubber blocks)

lift1.jpg.jpg

[RW1]

So there is no problem lifting like the picture below but with 4 rubber blocks on the official VW jacking points?

OK, as long as its on the 4 lift points only and avoids using the welded sill edge inbetween.

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Can i lift here? (Of course always with rubber blocks)

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Not advisable on the running gear suspension arms.

C.

[eikido]

Thank you very much RW1!!

Does a normal trolley jack reach the front jacking points your mentioning? They are quiet far in?

Forward 01.JPG

[RW1]

Normal? Standard trolley jacks come in all shapes and sizes. Mine are standard but go under. Looking at jack dimensions, some will not. So you will have to be careful if you are buying a new trolley jack.

C.

[eikido]

Yea, you are absolutely right.
I was thinking more standard as in:


and racing trolleys :



If i need too, i'll just buy a new one that goes under and reaches the point.

[RW1]

Don't forget to take into account the lifting weight of the jack. The ones I am using at present are 2 tons rated. Just bought this.... Link (or its cheaper alternative )

Front end is heavy and some of the low profile ones like the 2nd one above are only for lightweight lifting.

C.

[b0rk]

The second one looks like a costco /arcan 3 tonne lift which from experience certainly isn't for lightweight lifting only... at 50kg ish its heavy lump of Chinese steel designed for lifting yank tanks and van's.

[RW1]

Was thinking more generally of that type of lightweight blue/silver racing design but wouldn't trust Chinese steel anyway.

C.

[eikido]

If you guys are just going to change tires, where would you lift the car, the official VW jacking points (the one that got bent on my car:D) or the jacking points which RW1 suggests.

[b0rk]

I'd be more concerned about USA steel personally , but yes low profile trolley jacks should be used with care regarding maximum lifting weight.

[xbounce]

Eikido i have had the same problem, but even worst, because my jaking point have broken the welding points, and now i don't know i can repare this or no, and how much can cost, because it's part of the chasis of the car.

Hi

I used a Standard trolley jack with cup and a rubber protection ((do i need this?)

And here are three pictures.

Two are the right side which is bent

The left one is ok.

What do guys say?

I didn't even continue to lift, i stopped after i saw it getting bent. I think i was more than half way or something, not sure...

I can even take a picture of the place where i lifted the car, i checked it, its horizontal and ok.

[eikido]

I sold my Scirocco and bought a Volvo C70 first gen. I had the same problem with the similar sill got bent in the C70 so i had to take it to the auto shop to repair it.
Luckily i could repair mine.

You simply cannot lift a car where 90% of all tire / car shops do it from. I should stop doing that