59 plate 2.0 TDI 170 bhp problem Help please!

[Hillc1988]

All that the garage can tell me is that the glow plug ends have snapped, forced their way through one of the valves. He has only taken the head off but i think the turbo will just need some cleaning. The dpf could also just need cleaning, but instead of just soot and oil through it, its had metal pieces, no idea how.
I wish i could upload the photos, the damage is unbelievable and believe me guys if i could get my money back i would. Ive tried everything apart from drag this guy through court, but end of the day its a private sale.. virtually zero rights!

Ive seen ads for dpfs to be cleaned for about £300 up to a new standard, if this is true, the bill should be less than the £6000 quoted, especially if the turbo is still working. Just looks oily. Im no mechanic but the main thing in the photos is the rings, the edge on 2 of them are no longer smooth and round, its like someone has like chipped away at it.

[iforland]

If money's an issue there are engines on ebay for Scirocco's....for example ebay 170 BHP engine

[Hillc1988]

I know. There's 2 issues. I don't particularly want to spend 1400 on an engine off eBay and then it go wrong in a month, and also the engine numbers would be different and I personally think it'll be harder to sell down the line.
I'm putting it in with a company called volks-apart. Anyone heard anything about them? Sound good.

[xjay1337]

All that the garage can tell me is that the glow plug ends have snapped, forced their way through one of the valves. He has only taken the head off but i think the turbo will just need some cleaning. The dpf could also just need cleaning, but instead of just soot and oil through it, its had metal pieces, no idea how.
I wish i could upload the photos, the damage is unbelievable and believe me guys if i could get my money back i would. Ive tried everything apart from drag this guy through court, but end of the day its a private sale.. virtually zero rights!

Ive seen ads for dpfs to be cleaned for about £300 up to a new standard, if this is true, the bill should be less than the £6000 quoted, especially if the turbo is still working. Just looks oily. Im no mechanic but the main thing in the photos is the rings, the edge on 2 of them are no longer smooth and round, its like someone has like chipped away at it.

I guess you aren't very mechanically minded.
DPF's are made of a metallic platinum surface are you sure it's not that?
Cleaning of DPF's removes oily/soot particles not metal - In that case it would need to be completely gutted.
Snapped glow plug ends is very very unlucky if that is the case as I've never heard of that happening at all.

The turbo wouldn't need "just cleaning" if metal shards have managed somehow to get up through the exhaust ports then likely you have damaged the turbo blades and that would also need replacement. Not to mention the oil feed and the sump should also be removed and cleaned as well as the pick up pipe replaced.

I would just buy a whole replacement engine. Plenty of good ones about.

I've never checked engine numbers when buying a car, no-one who's ever bought a car from me has either, and certainly it would cost you the £3500 difference in cost between a used engine and your one being repaired.

[iforland]

With respect to the "ebay" engine option, you should get at least a couple of months guarantee (which is more than you got with the car bought from a private seller) and also you can get the log book updated by the DVLA with the new engine number if you can supply receipts of purchase.

[Hillc1988]

All that the garage can tell me is that the glow plug ends have snapped, forced their way through one of the valves. He has only taken the head off but i think the turbo will just need some cleaning. The dpf could also just need cleaning, but instead of just soot and oil through it, its had metal pieces, no idea how.
I wish i could upload the photos, the damage is unbelievable and believe me guys if i could get my money back i would. Ive tried everything apart from drag this guy through court, but end of the day its a private sale.. virtually zero rights!

Ive seen ads for dpfs to be cleaned for about £300 up to a new standard, if this is true, the bill should be less than the £6000 quoted, especially if the turbo is still working. Just looks oily. Im no mechanic but the main thing in the photos is the rings, the edge on 2 of them are no longer smooth and round, its like someone has like chipped away at it.

I guess you aren't very mechanically minded.
DPF's are made of a metallic platinum surface are you sure it's not that?
Cleaning of DPF's removes oily/soot particles not metal - In that case it would need to be completely gutted.
Snapped glow plug ends is very very unlucky if that is the case as I've never heard of that happening at all.

The turbo wouldn't need "just cleaning" if metal shards have managed somehow to get up through the exhaust ports then likely you have damaged the turbo blades and that would also need replacement. Not to mention the oil feed and the sump should also be removed and cleaned as well as the pick up pipe replaced.

I would just buy a whole replacement engine. Plenty of good ones about.

I've never checked engine numbers when buying a car, no-one who's ever bought a car from me has either, and certainly it would cost you the £3500 difference in cost between a used engine and your one being repaired.

Im not actually sure at all. I think the garage it got stripped down with didnt really want to get too involved with it. He said a new engine was definately needed. Im happy with the guys its with now, seem legit.
Its always very well and to be honest for the last 3 weeks ive been given 'opinions' from various people but people saying oh yes theres engines about or you just need to do this is all very well and good but finding an engine, and knowing if its worth the 1300 is another thing.
Ive been quoted 2095 for an engine rebuild, only 2 other parts that are in question are the dpf and turbo. One bloke that looked at the turbo thinks its fine, spins freely etc, dpf he didnt really go into depth with so will just wait and see. Find out monday.

[matt_j_smith]

its play in the turbo shaft, fouling of the housing and damaged blades on turbos pal. a lot of shagged ones will spin... whilst its all ff, pop it into a specialist for a checkup just to be safe.. chances are the parts of glow plug tip have just damaged a few blades on the hot side,

[Hillc1988]

Luckily mate it's in with a place that has a lot of contacts. They're cheap at sourcing parts or finding reconditioned ones so hopefully won't be too extravagant. I can handle a turbo, the dpf I can't though, they're ridiculous money, what a stupid design!

[xjay1337]

Im not actually sure at all. I think the garage it got stripped down with didnt really want to get too involved with it. He said a new engine was definately needed. Im happy with the guys its with now, seem legit.
Its always very well and to be honest for the last 3 weeks ive been given 'opinions' from various people but people saying oh yes theres engines about or you just need to do this is all very well and good but finding an engine, and knowing if its worth the 1300 is another thing.
Ive been quoted 2095 for an engine rebuild, only 2 other parts that are in question are the dpf and turbo. One bloke that looked at the turbo thinks its fine, spins freely etc, dpf he didnt really go into depth with so will just wait and see. Find out monday.

I would suggest you find out what is actually wrong before you spend a penny mate.
If the garaged who stripped it down didn't want to get involved with it then how can they possibly tell you what's actually wrong? Without an actual diagnoses.
In my opinion if let's say a glow plug end went into a cylinder (just one).
You'd probably need.

Piston&ring in the cylinder that got effected
possibly conrod
new valves in that cylinder
that one cylinder bored/honed as may be chipped or damaged
shards could have gotten into oil feed and caused damage elsewhere perhaps main bearings or turbo
new headgasket/possibly head skimmed (although not recommended on these engines).
worst case is metal shards everywhere and every component needs replacing!!

I'm just worried that you may being taken for a bit of a ride without the garage actually knowing what the problem is.

I understand you may be worried about buying engines but it's quite common and many reputable sellers have engines that come with warranties, some can even be heard running for a short period of time before you take them away. Most come out of cars which have been rear ended, written off and split.

Ultimately it's completely up to you but I'd rather have an engine which hasn't had a major failure from another car over a rebuild buggered engine as generally they are never the same

[Hillc1988]

I did think down this route believe me but the more I thought about this the more sticking it in with this engine rebuilder made sense. These guys sound like they stick by their warranties and to be honest 2 years is good. I couldn't find any salvage engine offering more than 6 months and ofcourse with the engine I could still possibly need to buy all the other components. This way atleast it gets fitted, I pay just a tad more and they can pretty much do everything. My major mistake was putting it in these different garages before, and therefore wasting money. Like I say I have a few photos but I think because of the size I can't upload them. I'll try in a minute, he stripped the head down but didn't take the bottom out and said the damage to it would definately require new engine, possibly new turbo and dpf. I wonder if it was just the dpf that caused all this, I've heard horror stories on them bloody things.

Just tried changing file size/type still doesnt work, says files are invalid. Id like to post them to get some opinions. Any ideas?

[whiteDevil_170]

Sorry to hear about this. Last thing you want to do to a car you have just bought. Regarding the pics...

If you upload them to a photo host site like photo bucket then copy the image links into the post that will upload them.

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There we go lads, have a look... opinions welcome! I saw the hole in the valve, and the ring is shocking!

[matt_j_smith]

yikes.

turbo ( from the pics) looks relatively undamaged save the oil and what looks like slight damage to the edge of the blades - I guess from all the oil, metal filings etc that smashed out the block. Its more down to play with a tubby though, and ensuring its still balanced. I would replace anyway. For the sake of a few hundred quid, I wouldn't fancy chucking that back onto a new engine.

The block, well ouch. best case I suppose, from the pics, its new valves and a new piston,rod and sleeve etc- Not the hugest job in the world but a labour intensive one to remove engine etc. A replacement engine may be a better route to go down but I have no idea of any of the costs involved here so can't comment. Additional to that obviously is the costs of new HG's, belts etc.

To an extent the 'devil you know' re. rebuilding the engine is piece of mind, on the other hand, the convenience of dropping another lump in may outweigh that.

I'd be tempted to do it once and do it right whatever happens - I just don't know what that is!

that really sucks mate - especially as its so new (to you)

[Hillc1988]

I'm going to probably get it rebuilt.. The engine got more or less stripped down to the stage the photos show so they aren't charging me for that as it's with another garage.. I'm assuming valves pistons etc would be included in the cost of an engine rebuild.. I'm waiting to hear some news from volks-apart where it is now to see what the damage is. I'm also assuming labour is included as the price was... Rebuilt engine PLUS fitting.. The turbo and dpf aside that is. Just so rubbish mate, and I really did love this car! Just want it back on road sharpish!