R Removed From VW Website

[Brocky]

Apparently, it's being discontinued since the engine is not in line with EU5 regulations, as of Jan 2014.

[nestormirny]

Apparently, it's being discontinued since the engine is not in line with EU5 regulations, as of Jan 2014.

CDLA is EURO5, at least as stated in ELSA.

[Mark V]

'CDLA' being the R engine I presume? Is it used in any other cars in the VW range?

[nestormirny]

Is it used in any other cars in the VW range?

No, as far as I know. There was CDLF on Golf 6R, euro5 as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vo ... _125-199kW" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Brocky]

I got that from a Tweet from VWUK....so not sure how reliable the info is...

[Cuprabob]

It was quite long in the tooth when it was used in the Scirocco R / Golf R being a variant of the EA113. There is a lovely 296bhp EA888 variant to take it's place that allegedly can average 40mpg, as used in the new S3 and Golf MK7 R.

[Brocky]

Just spoken to my dealer and they can't process my order.

Gutted.

[wigit]

The CDL is also used in the R version of the Golf Cabriolet which hasn't been discontinued as yet

Can't see VW dropping in the new S3/MK7 R motor, wonder if price is playing a factor given that you can get a new S3 for same money and rumours the MK7 R will be circa £30K to compete with the M135i

[whiteDevil_170]

Just spoken to my dealer and they can't process my order.

Gutted.

Gutted mate. So what u going to do now

[Brocky]

Just spoken to my dealer and they can't process my order.

Gutted.

Gutted mate. So what u going to do now

Back to the original plan of the R-Line, I think. It could be months before they release the new R. With a new engine too, i'd imagine there will be a price hike. That, coupled with the fact that I won't get as good a discount as I would now, takes the R out of my budget.

[Cuprabob]

Just go and buy a M135i, which I believe you can get an excellent discount on:-)

Now is not the time to buy a Rocco as you will be disappointed when the new one appears. MK7 Golf is a better option at the moment, IMO.

[Brocky]

Just go and buy a M135i, which I believe you can get an excellent discount on:-)

Now is not the time to buy a Rocco as you will be disappointed when the new one appears. MK7 Golf is a better option at the moment, IMO.

I felt that initially, but the way I'm looking at it, is that I fell in love with the Roc in it's current guise. If the new one comes out and it's much better, then so be it. I'll have still bought the car I wanted....albeit I would have liked to have gotten the R, but shit happens that's outside of your control sometimes. Such is life.

[whiteDevil_170]

Just go and buy a M135i, which I believe you can get an excellent discount on:-)

Now is not the time to buy a Rocco as you will be disappointed when the new one appears. MK7 Golf is a better option at the moment, IMO.

I felt that initially, but the way I'm looking at it, is that I fell in love with the Roc in it's current guise. If the new one comes out and it's much better, then so be it. I'll have still bought the car I wanted....albeit I would have liked to have gotten the R, but shit happens that's outside of your control sometimes. Such is life.

if its an r you want why not just buy a used model

[b0rk]

Is it used in any other cars in the VW range?

No, as far as I know. There was CDLF on Golf 6R, euro5 as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vo ... _125-199kW" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CDL is the base engine code the last letter just being the sub variant..

Anyway CDLA was EU5 Department for Transport Vehicle Certification Authority. The standard VWUK where probably thinking of is EU6 which comes in next September for new type approvals and sept 2015 for new registrations. This is a bit academic as EU5 and EU6 limits are the same for DI petrol engines when fitted to cars under 1700kg.

Personally I'd say a mk7 GTI PP is nicer drive and better buy than a rocco currently. However for budget performance Cuprabob is right BMW are doing cracking deals on new m135i's that much car for mid 20's new is the performance bargain of the decade. Interestingly my local Audi dealer is prepared to do a "deal" on a new S3 as factory order such a shame it is not very nice to drive, handling felt very numb IMHO.

I'd guess the R has been discontinued as VW know it won't measure up price or economy wise against the mk7 golf R.

Golf Cabriolet R is an interesting vehicle no idea why VW bothered £38k launch immediately reduced to £33k and huge dealer discounts available, keeping it on the price list probably makes sense if only to off load any committed production allocation. I had assumed it had to be run out special edition but obviously not.

[SMB]

Clearly the engine not meeting standards is a misnomer, The reason the R has been withdrawn is IMHO that if sales are circa 100 cars per year in the UK ( see 2013 registrations), probably similar elsewhere, the volume isn't there to justify keeping it. Thats less than 1 car per dealership in the UK. with no stock in the distribution network it's easy to remove from the lists. The Golf R convertible hasn't sold it seems, so perhaps with built cars sitting in stock it's stayed on the lists, by next year there may be a fire sale.

Low volumes are probably a factor of price, and the economic environment over the last few years, but that still doesn't take away the fact that the R outclassed most if not all of the direct hatchback competition in driving reviews, so it's still a great car to drive and own. Low production volumes should keep prices high for good condition cars. Low sales may stop VW taking on the engineering, development and type approval costs of making another R in the short term.

I really don't get the MPG debate, as real world for these cars, the difference between an R and a GTI PP is probably going to be circa 10% in MPG max for someone that wants a performance car, for the average user the annual cost of fuel will disappear into the depreciation costs for relatively new cars. The GTI PP will likely depreciate more quickly once the initial interest dies, as volumes of the GTI will be that much greater. If you want the last word in petrol MPG I'd say go get one of those 3 cylinder 1.0T focuses, otherwise if you want an R go find a suitable used one.

[bitmadmax]

Is it any wonder the M135i is going so cheap.. not many people buying them as it's butt ugly and has 2 pea shooters for the exhaust. Still, I'm sure with that engine and xdrive it's quite a nice ride

[b0rk]

It's a 9 month waiting list for a factory spec M135i... sales are very impressive it's outsold and outselling everything in it's class, probably the only hot hatch that'll sell over 1k units this year.
http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/bm ... to#!newreg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/bmw_m135i#!newreg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes that's 773 in the first two quarters of this year.

The hot hatch market is pretty dead now go have play with howmanyleft see just how low sales slumped post 08, IIRC the mk6 R / rocco R launch prediction was 500 cars each per year, both the golf and rocco barely reached this figure in total. I love my R but can see the market has moved on for new cars now.

[James321]

This isn't a bad thing, it just means the car will hold its value. Look at other makes limited runs, excluding cosworth from Ford but their Puma Racing, the original RS Focus, they all demand top dollar for a good example.

Just look after your Rs and they will keep the value in a few years.

[Billc]

My dealer phoned me and said it's because the R can't be made to meet EU 5+ emissions regs. When the model is due for replacement they're not going to spend a fortune to fix a time-expired one for a relatively short period of time.

[SMB]

That's the standard message but according to this, the petrol standards for euro5 and 6 are the same.

http://www.nextgreencar.com/caremissions.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I suspect its more to do with this piece

In contrast to the legislation for regulated pollutants, there was until recently no current EU law which limits the amount of carbon dioxide produced by cars. However, in 2009, the European Parliament passed new car CO2 legislation that sets an emissions cap of 130 g/km averaged over all new vehicles produced by each manufacturer by 2015. The 130 g/km average will be the equivalent of 58 mpg for diesel engines and 52 mpg for petrol engines.
Reaching this goal will be phased in over three years; by 2012, 65% of each manufacturers' newly registered cars must comply, 75% by 2013 and 80% by 2014 and 100% by 2015. An extended target is set to be an average of 95 g/km by 2020. Manufacturers that exceed targets from 2012 onwards will have to pay a penalty for each car registered, which amounts to €5 for the first g/km of over the limit, €15 for the second g/km, €25 for the third, and €95 for each subsequent gram. From 2019, stricter penalties will be introduced with every exceeding gram costing the manufacturer €95.



A low volume car at 187g is an easy win towards the target. Doesn't look good for performance cars in the future.....