Help - R vs GT 2.0TSi?

[magnus]

Help, Have a white GT 2.0 TSi awaiting registration sitting in showroom BUT yesterday drove and can buy a very high spec R? The R was awesome, truly amazing but I am struggling to reconcile that with a £9k price differencial. OK so the R has £4k of heavy duty extras but that on top of £5k for the base upgrade. Should I stick with the TSi and chip it plus 19" wheels and save a bunch of cash. Help, very unsure........

[risingblue1]

In struggling with the same thing. Its a lot of money but can't get it out of my mind. I guess it depends how much of that 9k u will get back when slling over a gt and how saleable. The one I liked is already sold to a guy in scotland.

[magnus]

They [the Rs] are quite fantastic but will they really be £9k better after fitting a Revo Stage 1 for %£500 plus VAT at which point your up tp 275 bhp plus huge torque.

[risingblue1]

Yep good point

[Andy-GTI]

You can remap the R aswel, which will put it well in excess of 300bhp, which will destroy a mapped GT. "So that mapped GT gives the same power" is a total pish argument.

Also the different aint £9k like for like, when you put all the standard extras on the GT that the R gets from the factory.

A base Manual GT 2.0 Petrol at list is £23545 and the R is £28295, which is only a £4.7k difference, factor in the options (mats, xenons, winter pack and flat tyre) and it comes to a £24905 GT, which is only £3.4k less than the R of the same spec.

Then factor in the bigger brakes front and rear, also different ARB's and different springs / suspension controller, the Bigger power engine / turbo, unique R Bumpers etc, and all the associated R stuff and i think it more than justifies the extra cost.

[magnus]

Thanks for that - In the VW spec it says nothing of bigger brakes or different suspension - I only thought they'd lowered it by 10mm and included a different torque steer (which I have to say is astoundingly good). Do you know what the difference in brakes and suspension is?

[Andy-GTI]

Its got the larger brakes front and rear as fitted to the S3/MK5 R32 etc. 334mm at front, can't remember the rear size.

Springs are different due to the 10mm lowering, but the ACC controller is different so the car reacts differently. As mentioned it also has the electronic diff setup the MK6 GTI etc has. The ARB's are i think off hand 1mm thicker front and rear, but i dont have the parts catalogue at hand to double check.

There are also a lot of subtle differences such as a shorter gear throw etc that the brochures don't detail but when searching the parts catalogue become obvious.

I also suspect it'll have the full Alloy S3 intercooler rather then the plastic end tanked cooler fitted to the GT from the MK6/MK6 GTI's, but i haven't duoble checked that on the parts catalogue yet.

[Chungster]

Front brakes are 345mm S3/R32 jobbies, which are a hell of a lot better than the pish 312's. That's £500.

Rear brakes are vented 310mm ones vs the solid one on GT. No idea on cost.

But they both make a big difference to the car tho as vouched by brake guru DaveB.

[magnus]

Many many thanks for that everyone - it is still a load of money but I am getting there.

Anyone want a new unregistered candy white GT 2.0 TSi DSG with dynaudio, parking, tyre indicator, leather black, cruise c, winter pack plus plsu. It is at the old list price (so a significant saving but at the higher VAT) and is the 210 PS version?

[SCIOCO R]

Hi Magnus

I believe the R will hold it's value better especially in the early years because they will be relatively rare and publications like Autocar have rated it so highly.

Go for the R....

[Evil Derboy]

I suppose it all depends on what you want from the car but the fact that you are so tempted by the R at this stage suggests that if you don't go for the R, you will regret it later.

The R is worth the extra cash for the exterior and power upgrades alone in my eyes. Anyone coming into the Scirocco stable, looking for a performance car, at this stage, would be daft not to go for the R in my opinion. If it had been available at the time I was in the market that's what I would have had.

[scottyroc]

Ditto that..

I actually asked the sales man if there were any better models due, he told me 'No' this is the top model..Period..

Argh..Wish I'd joined these forums before hand...

[wigit]

the GT in my view is no longer a cheap car, last time i looked i was nudgeing £28k with my spec + xenons and 19s

on the R front less is more imho opinion, cloth looks fabulous with the alcantara, if you are going stage 2 i wouldn't bother with dynaudio as from experience engine noise will be the more dominant sound , in reality i'd spec about £2.5k less of options on the R

[scirocco]

I agree I paid 21k for my 2.0 GT Scirocco back in June 2008. How things have changes...

[wigit]

I agree I paid 21k for my 2.0 GT Scirocco back in June 2008. How things have changes...

in fairness so have my tastes, in reality a stripped out R with less goodies (ala renault cup) would have me beating a path to the dealer

[Andy-GTI]

on the R front less is more imho opinion

Correct, who needss poor quality leather, dynaudio badges, and ugly parking sensor spots on the bumper. . . .

[wigit]

almost a bargain

[Ibanez33]

I agree I paid 21k for my 2.0 GT Scirocco back in June 2008. How things have changes...

in fairness so have my tastes, in reality a stripped out R with less goodies (ala renault cup) would have me beating a path to the dealer

Yeah they are ugly but surely without the parking sensors it reduces parking to an act of clairvoyance?

[Andy-GTI]

Yeah they are ugly but surely without the parking sensors it reduces parking to an act of clairvoyance?

What planet are you on?

Its hardly difficult to park without parking sensors, unless of course you;re are a pathetic driver!!!


God knows what everyone did in the past before they were invented. . . . .

[spamdog]

For people looking at the normal R seats, they are more grey and black rather than the white and grey it has shown on pictures.
Still prefer the leather look if cost is no problem to people.
Anyway back to the main point of this thread ...buy the R!