Warranty 1.4 tsi 160

[Chrisc_91]

Had my rocco for just under 2 months now, running fine no problems absolutely love it, been reading some horror stories on here about the same engine as mine, I have a late 2010 model.

I was wondering if it's worth getting extended engine and gearbox warranty for my car just to cover myself?

I hear misfires are pretty common, I never have misfires sits at 750rpm in idle solid. Get the occasional slight feeling where I can feel the engine but all my cars have had that when they've been sat in idle for a while, please tell me that's not misfires haha I'm a bit paranoid now feel like I'm picking every noise or feeling out and straight away thinking "misfire!"

Cheers guys!

[blower]

With it being a manual box, i wouldn't worry about warranty on that.

However i would cover the engine - i had mine on an extended warranty for some years. I'm no longer on warranty - but am in the process of doing a lot of engine work, fitting forged pistons etc....not that the engine had a problem, just want to heavily remap it.
I'd want it covered for peace of mind with it being a 2010 model...with it probably having the older injectors, make sure you run it only on premium fuel (98/99 ron), also drop some intank injector cleaner in once a year.

I get the occasional slight engine tremor/judder/wobble...as you say its common for many engines - it stems from the direct injection resulting in coked up intake valves. All DI engines with some miles will have some carbon build up on the intake valves and ports and this will affect idle stability.
It's not so much a misfire as a poor air fuel burn, but nothing to be worried about.

One thing you will find, now that warmer weather is returning is that if coolant temperature (engine temp) of the car is between 20 and 30c when you start it, having not started it for 30 minutes or so, it will run rough for 30 seconds - this is a combination of what i consider an ECU glitch (by glitch i mean deliberate attempt to rig the emissions testing) and catalyst pre-heating.
It will only do it between this temperature range on the coolant temp. Of course you can't see that temp on the gauge - but if the outside temperature is in that range when you go to start the car in the morning from a 'cold start' then it will run this cat preheating, which will sound rough and result in noticeable engine wobble....but it will settle down after 30 seconds. It will also do this if you have let the car cool down after run, and it falls into that range when you go to start it again - say after leaving it for an hour or 2.

Just though i'd let you know about the above 'feature' so it doesn't concern you when it does it.

[Chrisc_91]

With it being a manual box, i wouldn't worry about warranty on that.

However i would cover the engine - i had mine on an extended warranty for some years. I'm no longer on warranty - but am in the process of doing a lot of engine work, fitting forged pistons etc....not that the engine had a problem, just want to heavily remap it.
I'd want it covered for peace of mind with it being a 2010 model...with it probably having the older injectors, make sure you run it only on premium fuel (98/99 ron), also drop some intank injector cleaner in once a year.

I get the occasional slight engine tremor/judder/wobble...as you say its common for many engines - it stems from the direct injection resulting in coked up intake valves. All DI engines with some miles will have some carbon build up on the intake valves and ports and this will affect idle stability.
It's not so much a misfire as a poor air fuel burn, but nothing to be worried about.

One thing you will find, now that warmer weather is returning is that if coolant temperature (engine temp) of the car is between 20 and 30c when you start it, having not started it for 30 minutes or so, it will run rough for 30 seconds - this is a combination of what i consider an ECU glitch (by glitch i mean deliberate attempt to rig the emissions testing) and catalyst pre-heating.
It will only do it between this temperature range on the coolant temp. Of course you can't see that temp on the gauge - but if the outside temperature is in that range when you go to start the car in the morning from a 'cold start' then it will run this cat preheating, which will sound rough and result in noticeable engine wobble....but it will settle down after 30 seconds. It will also do this if you have let the car cool down after run, and it falls into that range when you go to start it again - say after leaving it for an hour or 2.

Just though i'd let you know about the above 'feature' so it doesn't concern you when it does it.

Wow, thanks a lot for the info mate, been really bothering me the past few days to the point where I was just getting in the car and like I said any rumble or anything which an engine normally does when I'm not looking for it, if that makes sense.

Put my mind at rest I'll be phoning up some warranty companies tomorrow as I got the car from a dealer not VW themselves.

Thanks.

Chris

[greg7728]

Steer clear of VGS warranty. Had a fracked piston in mine and they refused to pay as hadn't completely broken. I argued that it was mis firing and to diagnose this issue after replacing all parts outside the block/head it needed to come apart and we found the cracked piston (and severely worn valves) however they said because this had not broken yet and was a hairline crack they wouldn't pay the claim. So if they pop up don't use them as they'll wiggle out of the issue unless ur engine actually goes bang you'll have to keep driving with misfires (most likely leading to other issues running rich and buffering up the CAT) - just letting you know from my experience not to use VGS.


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[Chrisc_91]

Cheers mate I'll avoid them, Warranty Direct seems alright, had a look at some reviews and they've payed out no questions asked for 95% of repairs.

[Cuprabob]

Only warranty worth having in my opinion, is the extended VW warranty administered by Mondial. It's as close as you can get to the original manufacturer warranty. It's cheaper if you take it out while the car is still within warranty and they offer different levels of cover and excess. You can find the details on the VW website.

Other than that, I would just set aside a slush fund every month to mitigate against any issues that may arise.

[moulin12]

Thumbs up re mondial warranty - no quibbles with changing the dsg clutch on mine, as well as swapping out coils and injectors etc when looking to solve the emissions failure on my 2011 160. They even coughed up for a knackered suspension spring. Mind you, their position towards any claim might depend on exact circumstances e.g. whether the car has always been serviced by VW dealer.

As Blower (who knows all there is to know about the 160s) has said, shouldn't have any particular concerns with the gearbox / clutch on a manual.

[Chrisc_91]

Am I correct in saying that as I didn't buy the car from VW I am unable to get an extended warranty with that company?

As blower said the first 30 seconds is rough then settles down was correct just drove home and it did exactly as he said so I'm no so worried now haha.

[Cuprabob]

Am I correct in saying that as I didn't buy the car from VW I am unable to get an extended warranty with that company?

I think you still can but it will be more expensive
Certainly no harm in giving them a call.

[Gaz r]

You should be able to get a vw warranty, but as above will be slightly more expensive. If your roc has been serviced outside of the dealer network as well, it'll make a difference.
I bought mine at 5 years old with 12 months warranty. Plus 2 free services and mots. I then extended it for another year for about £400. However after my first service and mot and feeling very disenchanted with my local dealer. I decided to pass on the next free service and mot and took it to an independent specialist.
As the warranty requires you to have your car serviced within the vw dealer network, I had to cancel it.

[edwheels]

Had my rocco for just under 2 months now, running fine no problems absolutely love it, been reading some horror stories on here about the same engine as mine, I have a late 2010 model.

I was wondering if it's worth getting extended engine and gearbox warranty for my car just to cover myself?

I hear misfires are pretty common, I never have misfires sits at 750rpm in idle solid. Get the occasional slight feeling where I can feel the engine but all my cars have had that when they've been sat in idle for a while, please tell me that's not misfires haha I'm a bit paranoid now feel like I'm picking every noise or feeling out and straight away thinking "misfire!"

Cheers guys!

Hi there - I felt the same as you as I recently bought a 160PS (with DSG) and only then started to read the horror stories.... but was the engine and gearbox combo that I really wanted and thanks to the really helpful people here I feel a lot better now and with mine being a 2014 model it does have a lot of the remedial work already in place.... but that didn't stop my paranoia to start with and I am certainly not taking anything for granted!

However, I think a lot of this is down to those 1st few weeks of owning any new car - and it soon passes. Also, even with the issues out there, there are tons of 1.4 TSI 160PS (and even 185PS on other models) out there with no issues and even some owners blissfully unaware that such issues even exist. Also your car has been going since 2010. If nothing has happened yet (?) in 6 years, there's surely a good chance nothing will happen in the next 6.

Do treat the engine with respect of course. Let the oil get up to temp before revving it too much, use quality fuel (lots of info on here - 97+ RON etc.), try not to use it for repeated really short trips and so on. It's the same for any engine of course but knowing you have something special under the bonnet makes this more relevant and for some blokes ( like me !!! ) all part of the fun.

I went through exactly the same process with my old Mazda RX8 (although be to fair I knew about it's potential to drink oil, loss of compression, not starting etc.) before buying. To start with I was completely paranoid, checking the oil all the time, being ultra careful about cold starting and shutting off afterwards etc. etc. After a while I just started to enjoy the car and luckily for me it led to 4 years of faultless service (albeit at an average of about 18MPG)...

Having said all that, an extended warranty is probably a great idea, if only for the fact this is slightly more complex engine than the TDI or non Supercharged TSI. I'll certainly being extending mine with VW once the initial 2 years I have are up.