luc1989 wrote:The new Golf r has a completely diferent engine bay compared to the 6r so if the new scirocco r has the same engine then it should look similar.
I've not seen a MK7 R engine bay so can't comment but the facelifted Rocco R is definately the same EA888 engine. It's.also being used in the S3 and the Leon Cupra. The difference in engine bay may be down to tje new MQB platform.
The current petrol models of the Rocco, excluding the R,.already use a variant of the EA888 engine.
Luc is right the car shown is the ea113 engine, so either it s not the new engine or the development on the r isn't as far progressed and they did a hybrid to demo it. Although it does explain the lack of stop start and the co emissions. The excuse of dropping the r for emissions was always a bluff so who knows....
Looks a bit better with the R-line package, lowered and with some proper wheels I have to say but that center intstrument thing still puts me off as many of you have already said...
Still think the original R is the ultimate Roc so far
That video I think proves that the R has the same engine as before.They only mentioned the 280bhp,0-60 time, no lower emissions, no lower consumption, basically nothing new,engine wise.Probably a light remap.
We'll see but my money is still on it being the EA888:-)
It just wouldn't make.sense just to make the EA113 for the Rocco as the 6R Cab is no longer being made and the TTS will changeover to EA888 with the MK3 with a power output of 310PS.
I would normally agree but the picture is definitely an ea113. The press release carefully avoids any info that would confirm ea888. The cheap option given this is just a facelift is to remap the existing engine,
It would make sense for them to change it to the EA888, it's the same config they're using for the SEAT Leon Cupra 280. If it were the old EA113, it would be the only car that the engine is still being produced for? Doesn't make any sense imho. I'm not certain if they're using it in another model so if someone has additional info it would be appreciated.
Another point to consider is that Scirocco's (in my country at least) come with a standard 5 year service plan. The EA113 engine has a serviceable timing belt as opposed to the EA888's timing chain. Its cheaper for VW to service the vehicle under the service plan with the EA888 engine.
Well the video shows 1.5 bar of boost pressure which is interesting as the new EA888 engine is limited to 1.4 bar as per the S3 dash.
I still suspect it's EA888 based but the hang over of mk5/6 interior electronics does make me wonder, the '14 rocco will be the last vehicle to stick with such components. A minor map to the EA113 engine upto 280ps would probably raise boost to 1.4/1.5 bar, the new Golf R and S3 achieve peak power with only 1.2 bar of boost. The dynamics of the MQB platform are so much improved over PQ35 a simple map for power is not going to achieve much.
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I'm fairly certain that the car shown is the final model, a simple remap on ea113. the scirocco r isn't a big seller, would be cheaper for vw to stock x thousand engines, and keep the rest the same until all sold. There's nothing else in the new model that really is unique to it. It will all be used in the r line. given it's not ea888 that probably means it won't be a great seller in its new form either. It's likely to tune to exactly the same levels as the old car.
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- I really like the LED taillights but the old DRL in the front spoiler looks much more aggressive than the new design. Also I'm not a big fan of the chrome side mirrors.
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- The new instruments cluster with the new steering wheel looks really nice, also love the covered cup holder. I hate what they did to the center airvents and button design and also I'm not really sure I like the the new gauges on top of the dash.
Volkswagen recently introduced the facelifted Scirocco but new details are starting to emerge about the next-generation model.
According to CAR Magazine, Volkswagen is considering two different proposals for the car. One would see the model become a Golf coupe while the other would position the car a sportier model that is further distanced from the Golf.
Insiders are also indicating the distinctive styling could be toned down because some believe it is "too polarizing."
The styling tweaks might not win everyone over but the engines could as they are rumored to include a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder with outputs of 227 bhp (169 kW), 300 bhp (223 kW) and 330 bhp (246 kW). We can also expect an assortment of less interesting mills including a 1.4-liter with 123 bhp (91 kW), a 1.8-liter with 178 bhp (132 kW) and a 2.0-liter diesel with outputs of 148 bhp (110 kW) and 182 bhp (135 kW).
Volkswagen has remained relatively tight-lipped about the next-generation model but speculation suggests it could arrive as early as 2017.
Kev wrote:
Insiders are also indicating the distinctive styling could be toned down because some believe it is "too polarizing."
There does seem to be some substance in this view, since I can't help thinking that the various negative comments on the car I see posted around the web are all cheap, snide jibes or a jealously of sorts: some folks seem genuinely of the view that cars in the same segment - such as the gtc and cupra or dare I say even the new golf - are better looking cars.
For me, however, this is the first mainstream car for quite some time that I have wanted to own based on looks alone. I actually fell in love with the back of the car though I now find myself smiling every time I look at the front as I walk to the car. I know that it's not a roaster like a Cayman, but that's the point: understated but still purposeful. Love it.
I actually think the Scirocco is a bit of a gateway car to a Porsche, there are hints of that here and there. For example, even the new gauges remind me of Porsche's "sports chrono pack" which adds a clock on the dash and apparently is a big deal.
The polarizing remark doesn't sound right, even the Americans like it because it's different:
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I can see how it could be polarizing for VW management or insiders (they're happy perfecting the Golf). In fact, perhaps the biggest threat to the Scirocco would be a misguied attempt at adding changes with the US market in mind when they'll want to reintroduce it there. I think they've done it with the Passat CC (bigger front grille = looks powerful! sacrificing style). So I'd be wary of the sportier option.
The golf coupé or something else argument is surely partly dependant on where VW see the next rocco fitting within both the future VW badged range and the wider group range.
Too Golf and it ends up a low selling variant much like the Cab, too something else and it has fit in somewhere against the TT and the Porsche future model plan. If for example VW plan a small Porsche below the boxster as widely rumoured does a new rocco thus need to share this as a base pushing the vehicle very much towards being sports coupe.
With regards to the engine in the new R I just had it confirmed that it is actually a modified version of the engine in the old R, so it's NOT a new EA888 engine.
