Scirocco Facelift 2013 - your ideas please..

[pafa]

The latest list:

1. LED Daylight running lights (already planned by VW)
2. Less gap between the wheels and the wheel arches (7 votes)
3. Moore room for adjusting the steering wheel.(2 votes)
4. Seat pockets behind the driver and passenger seats.(5 votes)
5. Overall better build quality (no more rattles) (5 votes)
6. Option not to fit LED lights.
7. Sunroof that actually opens.
8. Combat the problem with freezing windows in winter (6 votes) (they are already aware of this problem)
9. Rear LED lights (already planned by VW)
10. Optional painted brake calippers.(3 votes)
11. "Meaner" looking exhaust, like golf mk6 gti. (3 votes)
12. Better use of the 5 buttons below the center console, no more "ghost" buttons.(2 votes)
13. 4motion as an option (dont think this will happen, as this is part of the Golf R´s selling point)
14. Keep the Scirocco the same size as now.(6 votes)
15. Better graphics and detail in the MFD. (3 votes)(will be hard to implement, as the MFD is shared across many VW models)
16. "Better" Ipod integration
17. Loose the frameless windows (hmm, not sure they want to do that, but ill send it along)
18. Reduce size of the A and C pillars.
19. Improve rear view mirror distant visibility, improve wing mirror coverage.(2 votes)
20. Reduce the weight of the doors.
21. Find an alternative rear headrest design that doesn't impair the rear view
22. Fit a bonnet strut as standard (5 votes)
23. Fit the LED DRL seperately to the headlights, like Scirocco R (4 votes)
24. Fit a heater to the engine, so that windows dosent freeze in the winter, when the engine is cold (2 votes)
25. Improve covered/hidden storage on the driver's side with more space.(4 votes)
26. Lower boot lid.
27. Reverse camera as standard.
28. Unique Dashboard, make the interior feel more special.(4 votes)
29. 200 bhp Diesel.(3 votes)
30. No electronic parking Brake.(2 votes)
31. 2.0 TSI with 220+ bhp
32. More bright colors to choose from. (Focus ST and RS) (2 votes)
33. Heated windscreen, like Ford. (7 votes)
34. Colder a/c
35. Keep the individuality of the car.(2 votes)
36. Instead of mesh covering the sunroof, make a solid shade for better soundproofing.
37. Improve the wing mirror design. While they look nice, the edge of the wingmirror obscures the last inch of the mirror surface
38. Lower ride height.(4 votes)
39. Bigger DSG paddles.(4 votes)
40. Increase capacity of armrest storage. (2 votes)
41. Black badges as an option
42. Better brighter reversing lights
43. Ability to store a full size spare wheel without losing too much boot space.
44. More ergonomic method of cancelling cruise, like a steering wheel cancel/resume button.(2 votes)
45. alter height of brake and accelerator peddles. There is too much height difference between the two at present.(2 votes)
46. Make rear head-rests fold flat when not in use. This will improve rear visibility.
47. Make the Scirocco lighter, and therefore quicker.
48. fix the waste gate rattle on the 2.0 tsi at 2.500 rpm - sounds like "gravel in a tin can".
49. Keep the front and rear headrests in the same design.
50. Get rid of touchscreen stereo.
51. Improve the mirror adjustment controls, and include mirror heating with the rear demister function.(2 votes)
52. An optional graduated sunstrip/tint built into windscreen.(2 votes)
53. DSG - an additional settings button on consol for economy/normal/sport to prevent early upshift (similar to the ACC settings button)
54. Full electric seat controls for passenger side too.
55. Meaner rear diffuser on models like Scirocco R concept.
56. Blue interior lights for Scirocco R.
57. Option for normal sunroof like the Golf.
58. Sporty interior style option with alcantara door inserts/seats or part interior option / steering wheel / gaitor / some carbon fibre.
59. Covered centre consol cubby holes.(3 votes)
60. Elasticated boot netting to hold things in place.(2 votes)
61. Covered door side pockets.
62. Fixed Postion DSG paddles, so shifting is easier when the wheel is turned.
63. Chrome / metal finish DSG paddles.
64. Option of 'Iroc' style 19" rims.(2 votes)
65. Leather interior option similar to Audi TT which part of the centre console is leather with stitching showing.(2 votes)
66. Top of the range model above the 'R' with lots of extras.(2 votes)
67. Brushed metal wing mirrors option.(2 votes)
68. Colour coded door strips.(2 votes)
69. Only refine the current model, don't overdo it and change the look too much, as it's a good looking car.(3 votes)
70. Lumbar support for both driver and passenger.
71. Windscreen wipers that clear the screen without streaks. No smearing.
72. Wider sun visors, that cover the full width of the windscreen and meet in the middle.
73. Exterior mirrors that fold in more completely / that sit ‘flusher’ to the bodywork when folded.
74. In addition to the manual folding setting, exterior mirrors should have an automatic folding setting.(2 votes)
75. Optional elasticated storage nets on either side of the transmission tunnel.
76. Ability to switch between Radio / Media-In (iPod, etc) / CD player functions from steering wheel controls.
77. Manual controls for headlight washers.
78. Better designed door pockets, or with a higher front lip, so that things don’t keep rolling out.
79. Better grade plastics on the sunglasses holder and the driver’s side storage bin.


Not applicable:
1. Option to de-badge the engine designation but not the 'Scirocco' model inscription (this is done by the dealer, not VW)
2. Deactivate ESP completely (already implemented on BW22 2011)
3. GT Spec and non GT spec is UK only, it is choosen by the dealer/importer in UK and is not a VW choice.
4. 160 tsi problems are not specific to the Scirocco, so the Scirocco team has no saying in this matter.
5. R Line pack as we see in Germany for the UK - choosen by the dealer/importer in UK and is not a VW choice.


Keep it up guys, good stuff!

Im planning on sending the list monday evening to my friend in Wolfsburg.

So now there is a deadline for posting ideas :-)

[raffoul232]

Some more suggestions:
1)What about a nice light where the door handles are i think it adds a bit more light. (pic of what i mean will be at the bottom)
2)Also when turning off the rcd510 why not have the time show on it (digi clock or analogue) or just a vw sign stays on or smth (like on the rns510)?
3)The lower grill (the honeycomb one) be colored in gloss black as an option.
4) Reverse camera be better hidden then just being ontop of the license plate.
5) Might be an offtopic thing but the sound system. Why is it dynaudio? Why cant it be bose like on audis or smth?
6) Front sensors as well as reverse ones (i dont care about sensors i mean if you dont know how to park then just dont buy a car, but this is just a suggestion since the car does have more blindspots than a gti)
7) A black package option where you could offer: gloss black mirrors, rear diffuser, front lower grill, breaks, as well as rims or smth like that.
8 ) R model should come with a perferated hood like the gt24.

If i think of anything else ill add it for sure......hope this helps

[gingerscotsman]

I would support the following:

1,4,5,9,13,21,22,25,29,46,59,60,71 & 74.

I would also add the addition of a subwoofer to the Dynaudio package. Just not enough depth for my liking.

[pafa]

The latest list:

1. LED Daylight running lights (already planned by VW)
2. Less gap between the wheels and the wheel arches (7 votes)
3. Moore room for adjusting the steering wheel.(2 votes)
4. Seat pockets behind the driver and passenger seats.(6 votes)
5. Overall better build quality (no more rattles) (6 votes)
6. Option not to fit LED lights.
7. Sunroof that actually opens.
8. Combat the problem with freezing windows in winter (6 votes) (they are already aware of this problem)
9. Rear LED lights (already planned by VW)
10. Optional painted brake calippers.(3 votes)
11. "Meaner" looking exhaust, like golf mk6 gti. (3 votes)
12. Better use of the 5 buttons below the center console, no more "ghost" buttons.(2 votes)
13. 4motion as an option.(2 votes)
14. Keep the Scirocco the same size as now.(6 votes)
15. Better graphics and detail in the MFD. (3 votes)(will be hard to implement, as the MFD is shared across many VW models)
16. "Better" Ipod integration
17. Loose the frameless windows (hmm, not sure they want to do that, but ill send it along)
18. Reduce size of the A and C pillars.
19. Improve rear view mirror distant visibility, improve wing mirror coverage.(2 votes)
20. Reduce the weight of the doors.
21. Find an alternative rear headrest design that doesn't impair the rear view.(2 votes)
22. Fit a bonnet strut as standard (6 votes)
23. Fit the LED DRL seperately to the headlights, like Scirocco R (4 votes)
24. Fit a heater to the engine, so that windows dosent freeze in the winter, when the engine is cold (2 votes)
25. Improve covered/hidden storage on the driver's side with more space.(5 votes)
26. Lower boot lid.
27. Reverse camera as standard.
28. Unique Dashboard, make the interior feel more special.(4 votes)
29. 200 bhp Diesel.(4 votes)
30. No electronic parking Brake.(2 votes)
31. 2.0 TSI with 220+ bhp
32. More bright colors to choose from. (Focus ST and RS) (2 votes)
33. Heated windscreen, like Ford. (7 votes)
34. Colder a/c
35. Keep the individuality of the car.(2 votes)
36. Instead of mesh covering the sunroof, make a solid shade for better soundproofing.
37. Improve the wing mirror design. While they look nice, the edge of the wingmirror obscures the last inch of the mirror surface
38. Lower ride height.(4 votes)
39. Bigger DSG paddles.(4 votes)
40. Increase capacity of armrest storage. (2 votes)
41. Black badges as an option
42. Better brighter reversing lights
43. Ability to store a full size spare wheel without losing too much boot space.
44. More ergonomic method of cancelling cruise, like a steering wheel cancel/resume button.(2 votes)
45. alter height of brake and accelerator peddles. There is too much height difference between the two at present.(2 votes)
46. Make rear head-rests fold flat when not in use. This will improve rear visibility.(2 votes)
47. Make the Scirocco lighter, and therefore quicker.
48. fix the waste gate rattle on the 2.0 tsi at 2.500 rpm - sounds like "gravel in a tin can".
49. Keep the front and rear headrests in the same design.
50. Get rid of touchscreen stereo.
51. Improve the mirror adjustment controls, and include mirror heating with the rear demister function.(2 votes)
52. An optional graduated sunstrip/tint built into windscreen.(2 votes)
53. DSG - an additional settings button on consol for economy/normal/sport to prevent early upshift (similar to the ACC settings button)
54. Full electric seat controls for passenger side too.
55. Meaner rear diffuser on models like Scirocco R concept.
56. Blue interior lights for Scirocco R.
57. Option for normal sunroof like the Golf.
58. Sporty interior style option with alcantara door inserts/seats or part interior option / steering wheel / gaitor / some carbon fibre.
59. Covered centre consol cubby holes.(4 votes)
60. Elasticated boot netting to hold things in place.(3 votes)
61. Covered door side pockets.
62. Fixed Postion DSG paddles, so shifting is easier when the wheel is turned.
63. Chrome / metal finish DSG paddles.
64. Option of 'Iroc' style 19" rims.(2 votes)
65. Leather interior option similar to Audi TT which part of the centre console is leather with stitching showing.(2 votes)
66. Top of the range model above the 'R' with lots of extras.(2 votes)
67. Brushed metal wing mirrors option.(2 votes)
68. Colour coded door strips.(2 votes)
69. Only refine the current model, don't overdo it and change the look too much, as it's a good looking car.(3 votes)
70. Lumbar support for both driver and passenger.
71. Windscreen wipers that clear the screen without streaks. No smearing.(2 votes)
72. Wider sun visors, that cover the full width of the windscreen and meet in the middle.
73. Exterior mirrors that fold in more completely / that sit ‘flusher’ to the bodywork when folded.
74. In addition to the manual folding setting, exterior mirrors should have an automatic folding setting.(3 votes)
75. Optional elasticated storage nets on either side of the transmission tunnel.
76. Ability to switch between Radio / Media-In (iPod, etc) / CD player functions from steering wheel controls.
77. Manual controls for headlight washers.
78. Better designed door pockets, or with a higher front lip, so that things don’t keep rolling out.
79. Better grade plastics on the sunglasses holder and the driver’s side storage bin.
80. Light inside the door handles.
81. When turning off the rcd510 why not have the time show on it, or VW logo.
82. The lower grill (the honeycomb one) be colored in gloss black as an option.
83. Reverse camera be better hidden then just being ontop of the license plate.
84. Other High-end soundsystem than Dynaudio, like Bose.
85. Front sensors as well as reverse ones.
86. A black package option where you could offer: gloss black mirrors, rear diffuser, front lower grill, breaks, as well as rims.
87. R model should come with a perferated hood like the gt24.

Not applicable:
1. Option to de-badge the engine designation but not the 'Scirocco' model inscription (this is done by the dealer, not VW)
2. Deactivate ESP completely (already implemented on BW22 2011)
3. GT Spec and non GT spec is UK only, it is choosen by the dealer/importer in UK and is not a VW choice.
4. 160 tsi problems are not specific to the Scirocco, so the Scirocco team has no saying in this matter.
5. R Line pack as we see in Germany for the UK - choosen by the dealer/importer in UK and is not a VW choice.
6. Subwoofer to the Dynaudio package - im pretty sure there already is a subwoofer beneath the seat in the Dynaudio Package, anybody?


24 hours to go - keep it up! :-)

[gingerscotsman]

Nope, no subwoofer in Dynaudio. Otherwise I would not be requesting one in the next version

[Richard A]

Lot of good ideas above.

The only thing I can think to add is to have the auto-dim off/on on the rear view mirror 'remember' what the driver sets it to in regular use. It's a pain having to switch it off every time I start the car because I find the relative brightness of following lights is an important part of my perception of what's going on behind... the option to switch the dim on in cases of non-dipped tailgaters etc. should be just that, an option (in my view anyway).

Re. the frozen windows / frameless doors argument, it seems that you can't have one without the other (unless the seal is made solely by external pressure of window onto doorframe rubber as on my Elise, rather than by insertion of the window edge into a groove). Frameless doors don't make a huge amount of sense in a fixed roof coupe (and channel type frames wouldn't make a lot of difference to the look of the car when the doors are closed), unless the rear side windows wind down. Wind down side windows, as in the old Merc CE-series and similar, would be great, but would compromise structural integrity and seat belt mounting so that's likely to be a no-no.

[GeoffT]

I was the one who suggested loosing the frameless doors, but for the next version, not for the facelift as I realise that is too big a change for that. As Richard A says the frozen windows issue and the frameless doors are tied in together. I can't see a single benefit to frameless doors on a hardtop. I think it was just seen as a "sporty" styling cue, even though in the real world it just causes problems.

[pafa]

Final list:

1. LED Daylight running lights (already planned by VW)
2. Less gap between the wheels and the wheel arches (7 votes)
3. Moore room for adjusting the steering wheel.(2 votes)
4. Seat pockets behind the driver and passenger seats.(6 votes)
5. Overall better build quality (no more rattles) (6 votes)
6. Option not to fit LED lights.
7. Sunroof that actually opens.
8. Combat the problem with freezing windows in winter (6 votes) (they are already aware of this problem)
9. Rear LED lights (already planned by VW)
10. Optional painted brake calippers.(3 votes)
11. "Meaner" looking exhaust, like golf mk6 gti. (3 votes)
12. Better use of the 5 buttons below the center console, no more "ghost" buttons.(2 votes)
13. 4motion as an option.(2 votes)
14. Keep the Scirocco the same size as now.(6 votes)
15. Better graphics and detail in the MFD. (3 votes)(will be hard to implement, as the MFD is shared across many VW models)
16. "Better" Ipod integration
17. Loose the frameless windows (hmm, not sure they want to do that, but ill send it along)
18. Reduce size of the A and C pillars.
19. Improve rear view mirror distant visibility, improve wing mirror coverage.(2 votes)
20. Reduce the weight of the doors.
21. Find an alternative rear headrest design that doesn't impair the rear view.(2 votes)
22. Fit a bonnet strut as standard (6 votes)
23. Fit the LED DRL seperately to the headlights, like Scirocco R (4 votes)
24. Fit a heater to the engine, so that windows dosent freeze in the winter, when the engine is cold (2 votes)
25. Improve covered/hidden storage on the driver's side with more space.(5 votes)
26. Lower boot lid.
27. Reverse camera as standard.
28. Unique Dashboard, make the interior feel more special.(4 votes)
29. 200 bhp Diesel.(4 votes)
30. No electronic parking Brake.(2 votes)
31. 2.0 TSI with 220+ bhp
32. More bright colors to choose from. (Focus ST and RS) (2 votes)
33. Heated windscreen, like Ford. (7 votes)
34. Colder a/c
35. Keep the individuality of the car.(2 votes)
36. Instead of mesh covering the sunroof, make a solid shade for better soundproofing.
37. Improve the wing mirror design. While they look nice, the edge of the wingmirror obscures the last inch of the mirror surface
38. Lower ride height.(4 votes)
39. Bigger DSG paddles.(4 votes)
40. Increase capacity of armrest storage. (2 votes)
41. Black badges as an option
42. Better brighter reversing lights
43. Ability to store a full size spare wheel without losing too much boot space.
44. More ergonomic method of cancelling cruise, like a steering wheel cancel/resume button.(2 votes)
45. alter height of brake and accelerator peddles. There is too much height difference between the two at present.(2 votes)
46. Make rear head-rests fold flat when not in use. This will improve rear visibility.(2 votes)
47. Make the Scirocco lighter, and therefore quicker.
48. fix the waste gate rattle on the 2.0 tsi at 2.500 rpm - sounds like "gravel in a tin can".
49. Keep the front and rear headrests in the same design.
50. Get rid of touchscreen stereo.
51. Improve the mirror adjustment controls, and include mirror heating with the rear demister function.(2 votes)
52. An optional graduated sunstrip/tint built into windscreen.(2 votes)
53. DSG - an additional settings button on consol for economy/normal/sport to prevent early upshift (similar to the ACC settings button)
54. Full electric seat controls for passenger side too.
55. Meaner rear diffuser on models like Scirocco R concept.
56. Blue interior lights for Scirocco R.
57. Option for normal sunroof like the Golf.
58. Sporty interior style option with alcantara door inserts/seats or part interior option / steering wheel / gaitor / some carbon fibre.
59. Covered centre consol cubby holes.(4 votes)
60. Elasticated boot netting to hold things in place.(3 votes)
61. Covered door side pockets.
62. Fixed Postion DSG paddles, so shifting is easier when the wheel is turned.
63. Chrome / metal finish DSG paddles.
64. Option of 'Iroc' style 19" rims.(2 votes)
65. Leather interior option similar to Audi TT which part of the centre console is leather with stitching showing.(2 votes)
66. Top of the range model above the 'R' with lots of extras.(2 votes)
67. Brushed metal wing mirrors option.(2 votes)
68. Colour coded door strips.(2 votes)
69. Only refine the current model, don't overdo it and change the look too much, as it's a good looking car.(3 votes)
70. Lumbar support for both driver and passenger.
71. Windscreen wipers that clear the screen without streaks. No smearing.(2 votes)
72. Wider sun visors, that cover the full width of the windscreen and meet in the middle.
73. Exterior mirrors that fold in more completely / that sit ‘flusher’ to the bodywork when folded.
74. In addition to the manual folding setting, exterior mirrors should have an automatic folding setting.(3 votes)
75. Optional elasticated storage nets on either side of the transmission tunnel.
76. Ability to switch between Radio / Media-In (iPod, etc) / CD player functions from steering wheel controls.
77. Manual controls for headlight washers.
78. Better designed door pockets, or with a higher front lip, so that things don’t keep rolling out.
79. Better grade plastics on the sunglasses holder and the driver’s side storage bin.
80. Light inside the door handles.
81. When turning off the rcd510 why not have the time show on it, or VW logo.
82. The lower grill (the honeycomb one) be colored in gloss black as an option.
83. Reverse camera be better hidden then just being ontop of the license plate.
84. Other High-end soundsystem than Dynaudio, like Bose.
85. Front sensors as well as reverse ones.
86. A black package option where you could offer: gloss black mirrors, rear diffuser, front lower grill, breaks, as well as rims.
87. R model should come with a perferated hood like the gt24.
88. Add subwoofer to the Dynaudio package.
89. Have the auto-dim off/on on the rear view mirror 'remember' what the driver sets it to in regular use.

Not applicable:
1. Option to de-badge the engine designation but not the 'Scirocco' model inscription (this is done by the dealer, not VW)
2. Deactivate ESP completely (already implemented on BW22 2011)
3. GT Spec and non GT spec is UK only, it is choosen by the dealer/importer in UK and is not a VW choice.
4. 160 tsi problems are not specific to the Scirocco, so the Scirocco team has no saying in this matter.
5. R Line pack as we see in Germany for the UK - choosen by the dealer/importer in UK and is not a VW choice.


Thanks for all the feedback.

Im sending the list to my friend in Wolfsburg tonight.

He is very curious to see what the Scirocco community thinks of the car, and what changes they are suggesting.

Personally i thinks its a very good list, some things are a bit "out there", and will probably not be considered for implementation. But many ideas are very cool, and im sure they
will consider implementing them.

Thanks again guys (and girls) :-)

[maisbitt]

I forgot to add something that affects all VWs (so maybe it wouldn't be taken on-board, but it annoys the hell out of me) - no cutouts on the carpets (presumably stencilled for electrically operated seats?) for the carpet around the front seats, the perforations are few and far between, just huge cuts that can tear easily, and very noticeable for someone who has his seat almost all the way back.

[Thommohawk]

Thanks for all the feedback.

Im sending the list to my friend in Wolfsburg tonight.

He is very curious to see what the Scirocco community thinks of the car, and what changes they are suggesting.

Personally i thinks its a very good list, some things are a bit "out there", and will probably not be considered for implementation. But many ideas are very cool, and im sure they
will consider implementing them.

Thanks again guys (and girls) :-)

Cool, keep us updated

[RoccoScientist]

I'm a bit surprised that nobody seemed to want better soundproofing (or maybe I just failed to find it on the list). Then again, VW's whole range (with the possible exception of Phaeton) could use better soundproofing...

[a4gee]

Just seen this - may`ve got more responses if it was one both forums?

[Thommohawk]

I'm a bit surprised that nobody seemed to want better soundproofing (or maybe I just failed to find it on the list). Then again, VW's whole range (with the possible exception of Phaeton) could use better soundproofing...

For the price of the cars, personally I don't find it too bad or any less than I'd expect, maybe that's jut be, if you want something bullet proof you need to be hitting the higher end of cars, Merc etc

[raffoul232]

Any updates Pafa ?

[matteeee]

I have to ask, you who want:

17. Loose the frameless windows
18. Reduce size of the A and C pillars.
19. Improve rear view mirror distant visibility, improve wing mirror coverage.
21. Find an alternative rear headrest design that doesn't impair the rear view
26. Lower boot lid.
43. Ability to store a full size spare wheel without losing too much boot space.

...why didnt you buy a Golf in the first place?

[chrisyboyc]

I have to ask, you who want:

17. Loose the frameless windows
18. Reduce size of the A and C pillars.
19. Improve rear view mirror distant visibility, improve wing mirror coverage.
21. Find an alternative rear headrest design that doesn't impair the rear view
26. Lower boot lid.
43. Ability to store a full size spare wheel without losing too much boot space.

...why didnt you buy a Golf in the first place?

Agreed

[pafa]

Sorry guys - no news

Im not sure im going to get updates about the choices for the facelift (its a VW secret) - but if I get any, and im allowed to release them here, i will off course do so.

Thanks again for the many ideas!

[Thommohawk]

I have to ask, you who want:

17. Loose the frameless windows
18. Reduce size of the A and C pillars.
19. Improve rear view mirror distant visibility, improve wing mirror coverage.
21. Find an alternative rear headrest design that doesn't impair the rear view
26. Lower boot lid.
43. Ability to store a full size spare wheel without losing too much boot space.

...why didnt you buy a Golf in the first place?

Agreed

x 3...a Golf would be much more suited. They're basically just asking for a 'better looking' Golf with all the practicalities

[Richc69]

External tailgate release
Reversing camera
Better iPod integration, rcd510 defaults to song list, ability to set preference to list by artist/ album /folder and would be good to have a-z search facility
Brighter reversing lights
More interior lights in back / centre of roof lining
Rear footwell lighting
Auto folding mirrors
Heated front screen
More differentiation between ACC settings
Deeper door pockets / covered storage
Integrated pop up child booster seats in rear squab (optional?)
Tighter wheel arch / wheel gaps

[Turboweasel]

The following would be brilliant to have:

2, 4, 8, 9
10, 11, 12, 14
22, 27, 28
32, 33, 34, 35, 38
41, 42, 47, 49
51, 52, 55, 56, 59
64
70, 71, 76
80, 83, 84, 85, 87, 88
Also the same 4wd system on the Golf R for the Scirocco R and colour MFD for the whole range.