Scirocco Central

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:06 pm**

How stiff is the sport version then?

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:25 am**

dogzilla wrote:How stiff is the sport version then?

Compared to previous cars, not very ..

I feel the car has more body control in Sport - suits my journeys, which are mainly on the twisty bits

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:03 am**

Andy-GTI wrote:
albertz33 wrote:
Get your facts straight Andy GTI
No, you get your facts straight,

VW Press Release wrote: Optional sport chassis with three level settings

* Clever Chassis. Ideally tailored to the Scirocco is the new DCC adaptive chassis control system. Not only is the damper characteristic controlled here, but also tuning of the electro-mechanical power steering. Adaptive chassis control offers the three programs “Normal”, “Sport” and “Comfort”. Significant here is the fact that adaptive chassis control improves the driving characteristics of the Scirocco full-time. That is, the suspension is continually adapted to the roadway and driving situation. The system also reacts to accelerator, brake and steering inputs. It is able to resolve the conflict in goals between a tight sport suspension and a comfortable one.

So there in black and white from VW, it does not affect the throttle response, it tweaks the damper rates and the electro mechanical steering. It monitors the throttle, brake and steering inputs and uses them to adjust the other settings.

The full article relating to the vw scirocco can be found on this link
https://www.volkswagen-media-services.c ... hkeit.html

"The system reacts to accelerator, brake and steering inputs"

i.e.....throttle reponse

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:41 am**

albertz33 wrote:
i.e.....throttle reponse

Holy fu*k!

It clearly states reacts to, not controls.

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:44 am**

I used to think having it in Sport affected the fuel consumption, but on another topic I was corrected, I have since then driven it constantly in Sport and I no longer feel it affects the fuel consumption.

1 of 2 things could have happened (or both) for me to believe it did...

1. When I first tried it the car was a few weeks old so the engine hadn't been run in any way and what I believed was more fuel consumption was probably down to the engine being so new.
2. The whole psychological thinking of being in Sport mode hence I would have been hitting the accelerator a lot more aggressively.

A thank you to the guys who corrected me, since then I have never really left Sport unless the road is really shit.

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:19 pm**

I've been in normal mode so far. I tried comfort and sport this morning over some speed bumps to see if there was much difference. It's actually very noticeable indeed. I would probably save comfort for motorways and sport for times when I'm going cross country on A/B roads and in full paddle shift attack mode

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:35 pm**

with my car being lowered 35mm, you can defo feel the difference, so im allways swapping modes, mostly in comfort mode round town but when i want to play it goes in sport

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:36 pm**

Andy-GTI wrote:
albertz33 wrote:
i.e.....throttle reponse
Holy fu*k!

It clearly states reacts to, not controls.

Er.. obviosly the driver controls the throttle, the engine responds differently depending on which setting its in? ergo....throttle response?????

Fuckwit

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:38 pm**

Put your handbags away guys...

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:48 pm**

Come on guys! maybe you should take this up over pm's instead of the public forum this place isnt about bad language or arguments, just for the sake of peace agree to disagree.

Andy-GTi is correct but albertz I agree that a lot of the magazines have reported a change in throttle response, unfortunately they have printed incorrect information.

I'll have a word with my mate and see if he can get some better literature on the subject

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:12 pm**

its all in the head..........

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:08 pm**

CTRnutter wrote:Come on guys! maybe you should take this up over pm's instead of the public forum this place isnt about bad language or arguments, just for the sake of peace agree to disagree.

I'll agree that he is worng, so clearly wrong!

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:29 pm**

Andy-GTI wrote:
albertz33 wrote:throttles too responsive in sport for me for city driving, comfort is too sloppy.
It has absolutely no effect on throttle response. . . . .

well it does on mine you have a bum car andy

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:38 pm**

Is absolutely amazing how some of you lot think!

You are blindly ignoring official VW press relases about the system claiming it does things that even VW say it doesnt do, and have absolutely no proof to back up your claims!

Get your OBD diagnostics fired up and do some logging, and prove me wrong if you can, thats if any of you actually have a clue about the VW electrical/ECU systems?

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:43 pm**

Can people be respectful... Just because you believe someone is wrong doesn't give you the right to be agressive on this forum... It's starting to get like scirocconet.

You've made your point!

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:51 pm**

Indeed. Enough please. There are right and wrong ways to debate a point. Just slagging each other off is not the way to do it.
Pack it in or the banhammer will be out.

If you have a problem with a post just click the ! icon top right and I'll deal with it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:08 pm**

Until reading this I thought ACC affected throttle response - it definitely feels that way to me. I don't claim to know the first thing about how the system works.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:33 am**

http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_ ... r/dcc.html

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/passat- ... is-control

Auto Express The 1.4 TSI will come as standard with VW’s Adaptive Chassis Control (ACC) system. This uses computer-controlled suspension to constantly adjust the damper settings depending on road conditions and your driving style.

And by pressing a button, the driver can choose between three different modes: comfort, normal or sport, depending on whether you want to maximise refinement or handling ability. It even quickens the steering reactions. As a result, the Scirocco offers sharp and responsive cornering.

iMotor You see, the Scirocco has something called Adaptive Chassis Control (ACC) which is really rather clever. This uses computer-controlled suspension to constantly adjust the damper settings depending on road conditions and your driving style. You can even choose between three different modes: comfort, normal or sport, depending on whether you want to maximize refinement or handling ability. It also quickens the steering reactions too.

The Below quote is where I think Albertz might be getting confused

VWVortex ADAPTIVE CHASSIS CONTROL

Perfectly tailored to a sports car like the new Scirocco is the newly developed “adaptive chassis control”. It exercises direct control, not only over the suspension characteristic, but also over tuning of the electro-mechanical power steering.

“Adaptive chassis control” offers three programs: “Normal”, “Sport” and “Comfort”. “Sport” and “Comfort” are each selected by a button in front of the gearshift lever. It is important to note here that “adaptive chassis control” improves the driving properties of the Scirocco in “Normal” mode too – that is, all the time. That is because the suspension is continually being adapted to the roadway and driving situation. The system also reacts to acceleration, braking and steering inputs. This resolves the conflict in goals between a stiff sporty suspension and a comfortable one. That is precisely what makes for considerably better ride comfort – which is also quite noticeable in the “Normal” mode.

The “Sport” program can be recommended as a type of “Nuremburg Ring–North Loop” race track mode. In this case, the suspension is significantly stiffer. In parallel, the power-assist for steering is reduced for more direct steering response. The opposite is done in “Comfort” mode. In this case, ride comfort is especially improved on poor roadways and while driving slowly.

When they mention throttle response, what they mean is if you put your foot to the floor it will stiffen the suspension. Hope the above is slightly useful I will still talk to my friend and see what info he gets for me. I think the above is more than enough to explain that it doesnt impact throttle response but reacts to throttle inputs, what it does adjust is the steering which will be come tighter and the suspension will become stiffer.

The whole point in the system is so the driver has no compromise on comfort without a drop in performance, perhaps its time for some to read a little more, and Andy-Gti yes its frustsrating when you think people arent listening, but you have a mixture of baiting going on here to, I find it easier to rise above it instead of swearing or getting angry

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:54 am**

so is the suspension being adapted in every setting? I only thought it was sport... but saying that now makes me sound

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:01 am**

easybreeze wrote:so is the suspension being adapted in every setting? I only thought it was sport... but saying that now makes me sound

In effect yes

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