Test driven a Focus RS
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Test driven a Focus RS
Guys,
my local dealer has taken delivery of a white focus RS as a demonstrator so i popped down and took it for a quick spin this afternoon.
First impressions..........Well I think white is the best colour out of the three, this car looks really good and has good presence though I would imagine a lot of hard work would be needed to keep it gleaming. The 19 inch rims fill the arches nicely and the two large rear silencers sit nicely astride the rear diffuser.
Inside.......Well those recaros may look comfy but there is limited adjustment, seat height is one of two positions fixed by torx screws in the workshop so you choose your height and thats what you get. The only other adjustment was back/forward and seat back position, all that said I did manage to get reasonably comfortable quite quickly and I suspect with the seat in the lower setting I would get a pretty good position so not bad. The cabin plastics were OK on the upper dash but lower plastics were hard and a tad disappointing, basically there is no difference inside over the standard ST. I did not like the silver on the centre bezel of the dials, they looked a bit too Halfords aftermarket but thats nit picking. I am 5'8" and with my seat set there was loads of room in the back and getting in and out was OK but do not expect your arthritic grandparents to get in there.
NOW.....the bit you probably want to know the most..........WHAT'S IT LIKE TO DRIVE ??????
Start the engine and immediately you are surrounded by a deep bassy throb, almost intrusive but this car is telling you something here, this is no armchair civilised cruiser, this car means business !!!!! So, set off down the road, the clutch is not too heavy but the gear stick is short and low down making changes less smooth than I would like (I think this would be improved with the seat lower) Bear in mind my current and last car is/was DSG so perhaps my manual box skills are just out of practice...lol
Driving at town speed in traffic the car feels at ease and is pleasant with no straining at the leash, that is until we leave the comfort of the 40 zone and I get to open the taps. Shifting up at 5000 RPM I am up rapidly up to and beyond the NSL, this thing is deceptively quick. I approach a favourite S bend that also goes through a dip and hold a steady speed whilst playing with my lines. This is where things go up a gear, no way would the rocco respond like this even my old MKV GTi would struggle....I am smiling from ear to ear. Next up a large roundabout, circulate this at a fair old lick and try to tighten my line significantly, guess what, the feccus responds perfectly whereas the same in the rocco would of lead to nothing more than tyre washout and bags of understeer. VW, are you taking notice ? If the rumoured R20 golf cannot handle like this then spirited drivers are gonna placing orders for the blue oval. For the record and those that do not know me, I like to drive quickly and push a cars limits (CTRNutter will know what I am saying about the roccos handling and understeer when pushing hard) so perhaps I am being harsh on the rocco as its a pretty solid everyday car. But, and its a big but, if its the way a car handles and drives that gives you a buzz then in my opinion the RS delivers in spades.
Ok, coming off the roundabout and its time to test the red line. There is a distinct induction roar as you feed in the throttle accompanied by a gorgeous bassy five pot exhaust note that builds and builds to the red line, up a gear and more aural pleasure and a glance at the speedo says all I need to know, ahem ....sorry officer
One thing it does not do as well as the VW TFSI/TSi units though and that is pull well from low revs, its out of puff below 2500 and things do not start to get going until 3000. Its no sluggard but I think we are lucky in the VW to have a well documented power unit that pulls strongly from 1500 revs. I am sure a few miles and my driving would adjust to compensate but then this thing goes fast without trying so maybe it was deceiving.
Now you are probably thinking "did he notice any torque steer" and the answer to that is YES. You certainly have to keep a hold of the wheel when going for it but its fairly well contained but there enough to warn you to not be complacent (the APS 330BHP edition 30 Golf was better in this department)
Would I buy one ? Thats a hard question, on handling alone its an absolute yes, on noise then once again a yes but I did not think the interior was as nice as you would get in a VW or Audi and when specced with NAV and Bluetooth with IPOD connectivity this car will set you back 28400 quid. You can go on Broadspeed and get an S3 for £24282 before options. Spend 3k on options plus a Milltek and remap and you are in similar price territory but with a helluva nice capable car. Tough decision but I urge you to get a test drive if you are lucky enough to find one and I defy you to not be impressed with its abilities.
This car is probably as quick as you will get from A to B down a twisty road, its certainly made my next car choice a lot tougher.
EDIT: There is also a Mountune conversion coming out in due course, this is a Ford approved conversion so full warranty cover. Details have not been released but the Mountune ST goes from 225BHP to 260BHP and in this guise is quicker than the RS (aqpparantly in this months EVO) so I would expect the Mountune RS to be pushing upwards of 340BHP.
my local dealer has taken delivery of a white focus RS as a demonstrator so i popped down and took it for a quick spin this afternoon.
First impressions..........Well I think white is the best colour out of the three, this car looks really good and has good presence though I would imagine a lot of hard work would be needed to keep it gleaming. The 19 inch rims fill the arches nicely and the two large rear silencers sit nicely astride the rear diffuser.
Inside.......Well those recaros may look comfy but there is limited adjustment, seat height is one of two positions fixed by torx screws in the workshop so you choose your height and thats what you get. The only other adjustment was back/forward and seat back position, all that said I did manage to get reasonably comfortable quite quickly and I suspect with the seat in the lower setting I would get a pretty good position so not bad. The cabin plastics were OK on the upper dash but lower plastics were hard and a tad disappointing, basically there is no difference inside over the standard ST. I did not like the silver on the centre bezel of the dials, they looked a bit too Halfords aftermarket but thats nit picking. I am 5'8" and with my seat set there was loads of room in the back and getting in and out was OK but do not expect your arthritic grandparents to get in there.
NOW.....the bit you probably want to know the most..........WHAT'S IT LIKE TO DRIVE ??????
Start the engine and immediately you are surrounded by a deep bassy throb, almost intrusive but this car is telling you something here, this is no armchair civilised cruiser, this car means business !!!!! So, set off down the road, the clutch is not too heavy but the gear stick is short and low down making changes less smooth than I would like (I think this would be improved with the seat lower) Bear in mind my current and last car is/was DSG so perhaps my manual box skills are just out of practice...lol
Driving at town speed in traffic the car feels at ease and is pleasant with no straining at the leash, that is until we leave the comfort of the 40 zone and I get to open the taps. Shifting up at 5000 RPM I am up rapidly up to and beyond the NSL, this thing is deceptively quick. I approach a favourite S bend that also goes through a dip and hold a steady speed whilst playing with my lines. This is where things go up a gear, no way would the rocco respond like this even my old MKV GTi would struggle....I am smiling from ear to ear. Next up a large roundabout, circulate this at a fair old lick and try to tighten my line significantly, guess what, the feccus responds perfectly whereas the same in the rocco would of lead to nothing more than tyre washout and bags of understeer. VW, are you taking notice ? If the rumoured R20 golf cannot handle like this then spirited drivers are gonna placing orders for the blue oval. For the record and those that do not know me, I like to drive quickly and push a cars limits (CTRNutter will know what I am saying about the roccos handling and understeer when pushing hard) so perhaps I am being harsh on the rocco as its a pretty solid everyday car. But, and its a big but, if its the way a car handles and drives that gives you a buzz then in my opinion the RS delivers in spades.
Ok, coming off the roundabout and its time to test the red line. There is a distinct induction roar as you feed in the throttle accompanied by a gorgeous bassy five pot exhaust note that builds and builds to the red line, up a gear and more aural pleasure and a glance at the speedo says all I need to know, ahem ....sorry officer
One thing it does not do as well as the VW TFSI/TSi units though and that is pull well from low revs, its out of puff below 2500 and things do not start to get going until 3000. Its no sluggard but I think we are lucky in the VW to have a well documented power unit that pulls strongly from 1500 revs. I am sure a few miles and my driving would adjust to compensate but then this thing goes fast without trying so maybe it was deceiving.
Now you are probably thinking "did he notice any torque steer" and the answer to that is YES. You certainly have to keep a hold of the wheel when going for it but its fairly well contained but there enough to warn you to not be complacent (the APS 330BHP edition 30 Golf was better in this department)
Would I buy one ? Thats a hard question, on handling alone its an absolute yes, on noise then once again a yes but I did not think the interior was as nice as you would get in a VW or Audi and when specced with NAV and Bluetooth with IPOD connectivity this car will set you back 28400 quid. You can go on Broadspeed and get an S3 for £24282 before options. Spend 3k on options plus a Milltek and remap and you are in similar price territory but with a helluva nice capable car. Tough decision but I urge you to get a test drive if you are lucky enough to find one and I defy you to not be impressed with its abilities.
This car is probably as quick as you will get from A to B down a twisty road, its certainly made my next car choice a lot tougher.
EDIT: There is also a Mountune conversion coming out in due course, this is a Ford approved conversion so full warranty cover. Details have not been released but the Mountune ST goes from 225BHP to 260BHP and in this guise is quicker than the RS (aqpparantly in this months EVO) so I would expect the Mountune RS to be pushing upwards of 340BHP.
Taken delivery : Silver, DSG, NAV, Black Leather, Park Sensors, Winter pack.
Mods: Full Milltek, KW lowering springs,Wheel Spacers, Remapped to 258BHP, 405Nm
Mods: Full Milltek, KW lowering springs,Wheel Spacers, Remapped to 258BHP, 405Nm
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may have to get my backside down their this week then
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I told em to expect some bloke in a blue rocco, knew you would not resist.wigit wrote:may have to get my backside down their this week then
Taken delivery : Silver, DSG, NAV, Black Leather, Park Sensors, Winter pack.
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pmsl, maybe taking blue will make life easier then, rather take the black or maybe the silver revo a3 currently sat outsidesir_rocco wrote:I told em to expect some bloke in a blue rocco, knew you would not resist.wigit wrote:may have to get my backside down their this week then
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Great review. I was tempted by the one i saw going up the hill climb at goodwood. The exhaust popping sounded amazing, just like a rally car. The styling put me off a bit and personally i think it looks best in blue rather than 'transit white'. Funnily enough i had a guy in a blue RS stop next to me and tell me my car looked the nuts!
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Mmmmm my ultimate car!!
Fantasic review Sir R.......what was the torque like compared to the Roc? I have the ST and will be giving this back when my Roc comes and was wondering how much a difference the torque would have been in both cars. I always worry that the torque would be no where near that of the ST......but I have to rememember that the ST does have a 2.5 5 pot turbo.....and yeah the interior leaves a lot to be desired in Fords......C'mon Henry, get the finger out lol.
Fantasic review Sir R.......what was the torque like compared to the Roc? I have the ST and will be giving this back when my Roc comes and was wondering how much a difference the torque would have been in both cars. I always worry that the torque would be no where near that of the ST......but I have to rememember that the ST does have a 2.5 5 pot turbo.....and yeah the interior leaves a lot to be desired in Fords......C'mon Henry, get the finger out lol.
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Mate, the torque was different to the scirocco in that it took longer to build (bigger turbo) but when it finally arrived the surge of power was lovely. I have driven two modified MKV GTis that were pushing out 300 and 330 BHP respectively and it felt closer but not better than those two but certainly stronger than my roc at revs over 3500 BUT...........between 1500 and 3000 it just build steadily whereas the roc is feeling very strong from 2000. I would go as far as to say that top gear roll on from 50 in sixth would see the rocco initially gain ground before the RS regained the advantage and wound the rocco back in quickly.ASBOST wrote:Mmmmm my ultimate car!!
......what was the torque like compared to the Roc?
I always worry that the torque would be no where near that of the ST......but I have to remember that the ST does have a 2.5 5 pot turbo......
I must say again though that the RS was deceptively quick and once the turbo spooled up it flew.
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I saw a green one this evening. My first one in real life. Man they look huge. Have to say they are ugly as sin, and in the green it is utterly hiddeous. Weight reduction is the way to a truely great hot hatch. Too much emphasis on absolute power! Look how the r26r mullered it on TG track. Not nearly so practical I agree.
No doubt the likes of vauxhall will try and trump them in the power stakes with the next astra.
No doubt the likes of vauxhall will try and trump them in the power stakes with the next astra.
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finally weakened today and popped into the Ford dealership Kernahan in Witney, intersting day from a customer service point of view as had made no appointment, but the RS was parked on the forecourt, had a quick look round and given they were a bit thin on the ground staff wise, spoke to the receptionist said i wanted some information on RS and possibley book a test drive, phone call made and dealer principle comes down, we have a chat that i'd been recommended talk about our cars and two minutes later we are off down the road, given sir_roccos excellent review my comments are:
in the flesh the car has a real presence, roc looks very tame in comparison, seating position always been a let down in focus and i echo my thoughts that the seats are too high, however, the recaros are superb especially in leather with alcantara, dash wise the car is a disaster and the real weak point in the package ergonomics are spot on, i actually liked the gear box and action and stick height but i'm 5'11
the 5 cyclinder does have a great noise and around town the car is easy to drive, ride comfort is also suprisingly good and well damped and not crashy, this car is not about individual elements but the some of the parts, engine is stong and offers performance as our GTI but with an amzing soundtrack, you can sense the torque steer is evident (our golf has more ts but no diff but a more smoother power delivery), hightlighted by the fact that the steering on this car is heavy and has no play what so ever, it was so good it got to the point of annoying as on a nice stetch if dual carriageway you still had the wheel jiggle in you hands which was a little tiresome but something you'd get used to, a guy was testing the their mountune ST on same route and said it sounded awsome under full throttle, grip wise the car is immense for a fwd and just point it in and press
i really wanted to hate this car and having driven one it has made me think as i loved it, it is a a focus(ed) hot hatch, its a lot of cash and we'll have to wait and see what the Roc R (i feel the bridesmade)and Golf R (please dont set it up like a S3) are like and once mountune have worked some magic
would i buy one, tough choice given the £28.5K price tag (all be its well equipped), i wouldn't sell the golf for it as depite it having RS power levels is less hard core and has understatement on its side (all be it i'm sure if i spent £5K on mods it would give it run for its money and i'd still be quids in but would not match the steering feel), if i can get my head around blue oval badge it is a potential roc replacement pending the Golf R
on the customer service front i was dealt with be the dealer principle and can't talk highly enough of his service and more importantly his knowledge as he was a true car nut
one thing it does heads but we're used to that here
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Did the exhaust 'pop'? Blue is with out a doubt the colour to go for if you bought one.
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Chav-tastic!! That image of it with the huge black rear spoiler is foul! Not sure if they come with that as standard (??) but the Scirocco is so much more understated. But then I guess they both have different target markets to a point.
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Hooray, someone else with taste.iAmbu wrote:Chav-tastic!! That image of it with the huge black rear spoiler is foul! Not sure if they come with that as standard (??) but the Scirocco is so much more understated. But then I guess they both have different target markets to a point.
The Scirocco is a fine handsome car but this thing is an atrocity, unless you're about twelve.
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had a bit of time to reflect on this, what i will say is that it is the best service i have ever encountered at a dealership for a car which attracts alot of potential test pilots
i agree the roc is understated, when i looked at mine next to it it looked down right boring in comparison, as with Evos etc you by this car for its performance credentials, the unfortunate down side is it will no doubt attract the wrong sort of attention, the outright power wasn't the impressive bit it was the whole package and my god the noise, i would't trade our golf in for one but would certainly contemplate it as a roc repalcement
lets be honest if you've bought a tdi roc you aint bought its for its performance but for looks as it ain't really going to knock the skin off a rice puddin
i agree the roc is understated, when i looked at mine next to it it looked down right boring in comparison, as with Evos etc you by this car for its performance credentials, the unfortunate down side is it will no doubt attract the wrong sort of attention, the outright power wasn't the impressive bit it was the whole package and my god the noise, i would't trade our golf in for one but would certainly contemplate it as a roc repalcement
lets be honest if you've bought a tdi roc you aint bought its for its performance but for looks as it ain't really going to knock the skin off a rice puddin
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the only way i could have one of those cars is if it had a full cage in it and stripped out with perspex windows, propper rally car trim , otherwize you will look like a chav driving one, too many spoilers and bits sticking out
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The looks of it really put me off as it looks boy racer more than rally car to me (blue looks the least in your face). The sound of the one i saw doing the hillclimb at goodwood was amazing!. The write ups have also been good too. If it had 4wd it would be more tempting. They do look big in the flesh though and i've never had a thing for fords or vauxhaulls (or golfs for that matter).
I had a guy in a RS raving about my car before, saying it was the dogs danglies. Can't imagine an RS would get the same attention about town even if its more in your face. Having said that, I have a crazy colour scheme
I had a guy in a RS raving about my car before, saying it was the dogs danglies. Can't imagine an RS would get the same attention about town even if its more in your face. Having said that, I have a crazy colour scheme
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had a look at the weights as Ford is a bit of a porker
RS is 1,468kg
Roc GT is 1,298kg (-170kg)
Roc R is 1,333kg (-135kg)
Ed30 is 1,357kg (-111kg)
intresting when you work out the power to weights and then factor in a bit of Revo
RS is 1,468kg
Roc GT is 1,298kg (-170kg)
Roc R is 1,333kg (-135kg)
Ed30 is 1,357kg (-111kg)
intresting when you work out the power to weights and then factor in a bit of Revo
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How is the roc R that much heavier than the GT? LSD, wheels, exhaust and brakes?
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well the front brakes are crazy heavy on the s3 (same brakes as the roc R)
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great read..
talking power my prev was an 06 focus ST, simple de-cat and dreamscience re-map.. Power 275Bhp +/- 340ftlb torque +/- (STD car)
that thing was very quick and the torque was immense the stuff i was racing with was great exhaust popped and fantastic pull from 1700 upwards,anymore power i think would ruin it without spending money, i really miss the torque from my ST and thats whats u need in real world driving but i love my roc so so much.
ps the RS spoiler ott.. shame
talking power my prev was an 06 focus ST, simple de-cat and dreamscience re-map.. Power 275Bhp +/- 340ftlb torque +/- (STD car)
that thing was very quick and the torque was immense the stuff i was racing with was great exhaust popped and fantastic pull from 1700 upwards,anymore power i think would ruin it without spending money, i really miss the torque from my ST and thats whats u need in real world driving but i love my roc so so much.
ps the RS spoiler ott.. shame
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Have my test drive booked up this weekend coming, yes the spoilers are a bit OTT but thats what the car is all about, I have come from a past of some awful looking jap metal, but cars like these have character and are a hoot to drive. I bought my Scirocco to calm me down then the tuning bug was back after a couple of months (No Thanks to Andy ) and then I was on the slippery slope, problem was the car I was tuning really wasnt the right car to be playing about with.
I know I sound like a broken record player but after being without the Scirocco for a couple of months now, I cant say I have missed it all that much yes visually it was stunning but in that german straight cut way, yes it was comfortable and the ride quality was great for a sports hatch/coupe (not going down that road again lol) but the torque steer was very apparent and in the wet it was a handful if you wanted to push on. Dont get me wrong after a nice hard run through some great roads it did bring a smile (only after the mods), but it never gave the urge to grab the keys and just go for a drive for the sheer pleasure of the experience, it never really excited me to the point where i couldnt wait to be driving again. I think when the novelty of owning a new car wears off your are left with a capable car that can get you from a to b in comfort and its quite quick.
I guess coming from the Jap Scene (400 bhp RS Sprint, Honda S2000, Civic Type-R) they just always use to give me a buzz, yes they were loud and brash, people probably were looking thinking look at that tit he thinks his colin mcrae, but I didnt care because as soon as I got to plant my foot when that black and white sign appeared it was just me the car and a damn good road, I'm not saying these cars were perfect the S2000 tried to kill me at least once a week and the evo was like sitting inside a bin liner but they were good fun, plenty of feedback almost 0 understeer bags of oversteer from the S2000 (controllable) but just good fun.
I might be going into the showroom expecting to much from the focus but I am thinking that this might be my Rocco Replacement, I was pretty much set on the Golf R32 but I just fancy something different also I'm not sure I want to deal with VW aftersales anymore
I know I sound like a broken record player but after being without the Scirocco for a couple of months now, I cant say I have missed it all that much yes visually it was stunning but in that german straight cut way, yes it was comfortable and the ride quality was great for a sports hatch/coupe (not going down that road again lol) but the torque steer was very apparent and in the wet it was a handful if you wanted to push on. Dont get me wrong after a nice hard run through some great roads it did bring a smile (only after the mods), but it never gave the urge to grab the keys and just go for a drive for the sheer pleasure of the experience, it never really excited me to the point where i couldnt wait to be driving again. I think when the novelty of owning a new car wears off your are left with a capable car that can get you from a to b in comfort and its quite quick.
I guess coming from the Jap Scene (400 bhp RS Sprint, Honda S2000, Civic Type-R) they just always use to give me a buzz, yes they were loud and brash, people probably were looking thinking look at that tit he thinks his colin mcrae, but I didnt care because as soon as I got to plant my foot when that black and white sign appeared it was just me the car and a damn good road, I'm not saying these cars were perfect the S2000 tried to kill me at least once a week and the evo was like sitting inside a bin liner but they were good fun, plenty of feedback almost 0 understeer bags of oversteer from the S2000 (controllable) but just good fun.
I might be going into the showroom expecting to much from the focus but I am thinking that this might be my Rocco Replacement, I was pretty much set on the Golf R32 but I just fancy something different also I'm not sure I want to deal with VW aftersales anymore
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